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Testimony ends for the day in Trump hush money trial

Former US President Donald Trump sits in the courtroom at Manhattan criminal court in New York, US, on Thursday, April 25, 2024.
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What we covered here today

  • Testimony wraps for the day: David Pecker, the ex-publisher of the National Enquirer, was questioned by both the prosecution and an attorney for Donald Trump in the former president’s criminal hush money trial Thursday. Court will resume tomorrow morning.
  • What Pecker said: He testified about the deal he helped broker with adult film star Stormy Daniels, which is at the center of the case, and the tabloid’s efforts to suppress negative stories about Trump so they wouldn’t influence the 2016 election. Prosecutors accuse Trump of taking part in an illegal conspiracy to undermine the integrity of that election, which included the payment to Daniels.
  • Gag order decision looms: The judge said he will consider four additional Trump gag order violations alleged by the prosecution. He is yet to rule on the others.
  • High-stakes SCOTUS arguments: Meanwhile, the Supreme Court heard arguments today over whether Trump may claim immunity in his separate federal election subversion case. The justices seemed skeptical that Trump has absolute immunity, but may not green-light a quick trial in that case.

Our live coverage has concluded. Scroll through the posts below to read more about Trump’s trial in New York.

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Gag order hearing moved to May 2

Judge Juan Merchan’s gag order hearing will now take place at 9:30 a.m. ET on Thursday, May 2.

It’s unclear why the date and time changed.

Before leaving the bench today, the judge said the hearing would take place on Wednesday at 2:15 p.m. ET.

It came after the prosecution filed a motion and argued in court that former President Donald Trump violated the gag order four more times over the past few days.

These are takeaways from today's hush money trial

Former American Media Inc. chairman David Pecker took jurors in Donald Trump’s hush money case inside how he paid for Karen McDougal’s story to keep her quiet about her alleged affair with Trump – and how his decision not to pay for Stormy Daniels’ story led to Michael Cohen ultimately paying for it.

Prosecutors on Thursday wrapped up their direct testimony with Pecker, who was on the stand for three days describing in detail how he worked with Trump and Cohen to buy up damaging stories about Trump throughout the 2016 campaign.

His testimony laid the foundation for the rest of the Manhattan district attorney’s case against Trump that focuses on the payment to Daniels.

Here are the takeaways from Thursday in the hush money trial:

  • Pecker details payment conversations: Pecker’s testimony included the nuts and bolts of how AMI paid McDougal on Trump’s behalf, Pecker’s private conversations with Trump about the catch-and-kill deal and the fallout when her story became public.
  • No gag order decision yet: Merchan had spent Tuesday morning hearing arguments on Trump’s alleged violation of the gag order – which limits the former president from publicly discussing witnesses, the jury, the district attorney’s staff or Merchan’s family – but he did not issue a ruling on Thursday when court came back into session. Instead, prosecutors submitted another motion to hold Trump in contempt for additional violations of the gag order over the past three days – including comments he made Thursday morning.
  • Trump wanted to be elsewhere: Trump’s attorneys had asked for his appearance Thursday to be waived so he could attend the Supreme Court arguments on presidential immunity. The judge denied that request.
  • Pecker agrees in cross-examination that suppressing stories was “standard operating procedure”: Trump’s attorney Emil Bove cross-examined Pecker for about an hour. Quizzing Pecker with rapid-fire leading questions, Bove got the witness to confirm to the jury that Trump’s symbiotic relationship with Pecker and his tabloids was not unusual and long pre-dated Trump’s run for office. Pecker confirmed source agreements like the ones used to suppress stories from McDougal and former Trump Tower doorman Dino Sajudin are “standard operating procedure” for AMI to give the company control of how the information might be released, if at all.
  • Trump’s attorney asks Pecker about tactics National Enquirer used for other celebrities: Bove’s cross-examination of Pecker elicited testimony about other celebrities whom Pecker had purchased stories about so they wouldn’t be published, offering a fascinating glimpse into the celebrity tabloid world while he was chairman of the publisher of the National Enquirer. Trump’s attorney sought to establish with Pecker that AMI used “checkbook journalism” to control narratives in the press and fostered mutually beneficial relationships with several celebrities – not just Trump.

Trial exhibit shows Trump at the White House with former tabloid boss

This image of ex-National Enquirer publisher David Pecker at the White House with then-President Donald Trump was admitted as trial evidence in Trump's hush money criminal case.

Exhibits that the Manhattan District Attorney’s office admitted as evidence were shown during former President Donald Trump’s hush money trial Thursday. 

One of them is a photo of David Pecker, the former publisher of the National Enquirer, and Trump at the White House.

Another exhibit is the licensing agreement between American Media Inc. and Playboy playmate Karen McDougal. Pecker testified in court that he negotiated a deal that would give McDougal $150,000 for the rights to her story that she and Trump had an affair. 

The agreement, dated August 5, 2016, also included that McDougal was going to get a monthly column on aging and fitness in Star and OK Magazines.

The invoice for the payment to McDougal’s lawyer, Keith Davidson, is also included in the exhibits, among other documents and text messages.

The ex-National Enquirer publisher answered questions from the prosecution and defense. Here's what happened

David Pecker, the former publisher of the National Enquirer, testified Thursday about a deal made with Playboy playmate Karen McDougal and outlined the involvement of Donald Trump and his former personal attorney Michael Cohen.

After paying for two other “catch-and-kill” stories, Pecker said he refused to pay money to Stormy Daniels, testifying that he didn’t want the Enquirer “to be associated with a porn star.”

After the prosecution finished its direct questioning, the defense had a chance to start its cross-examination, which will continue on Friday.

Here’s what happened in court:

Karen McDougal: 

  • The prosecution’s questioning picked up with Pecker testifying about how he vetted allegations of an affair between Trump and McDougal. He said he negotiated to buy the story for $150,000 five months before the election after conversations with Cohen and Trump. Pecker said he believed he would be reimbursed by the Trump Organization or Trump himself.
  • He testified that he had concerns about the legality of paying to kill a story concerning a political candidate. He also said that he knew at the time the deal with McDougal was illegal, and he wouldn’t have entered into it if it wasn’t for Trump’s benefit.
  • Pecker said he intended to kill McDougal’s story so it did not hurt Trump’s campaign. He also said he was aware that corporations making campaign expenditures in coordination with a campaign without disclosing them was unlawful. The transaction was not reported under campaign finance obligations, Pecker said. He later testified he and Cohen received letters from the Federal Election Commission in 2018.
  • To be reimbursed for the money to McDougal, Pecker said he used an outside service to facilitate the digital payment. He said he did this because he did not want the finance department at the Enquirer’s parent company to receive money from the Trump Organization or Cohen, adding it would “raise a lot of questions and issues.” But, Pecker said American Media Inc. was never reimbursed for the McDougal agreement.
  • Pecker testified that Trump inquired about McDougal twice in settings where she wasn’t immediately relevant. “How’s Karen doing, how’s Karen doing?” Pecker said Trump asked during a dinner at the White House in 2017. Pecker said he told him she’s doing well and “she’s quiet.”
  • Pecker said he assumed Trump was worried stories would impact his campaign because in conversations with Cohen and the former president, Trump’s family was never mentioned.

Stormy Daniels:

Cross-examination:

  • Trump attorney Emil Bove pressed Pecker about this history with Trump — long before the election. Pecker confirmed that he had been giving Trump a heads-up on negative stories for about 17 years before Trump decided to run for president. He also said he had “mutually beneficial” relationships with celebrities other than Trump and said it was standard for politicians to work with the media.
  • Bove walked Pecker through several other deals. One he made with Arnold Schwarzenegger where he paid to kill negative stories from dozens of women. He also confirmed that the company purchased photos of Tiger Woods to use them as leverage to get him in the magazine.
  • The defense also tried to poke holes at Pecker’s memory, challenging him about the timing of a meeting at Trump Tower in August 2015. Bove said these things happened a long time ago.

Gag order: Judge Juan Merchan said he would consider four new violations of a gag order on Trump and set a hearing for next Wednesday. Prosecutor Chris Conroy said these violations include comments Trump made to cameras outside the courtroom, in an interview and at an event. Merchan did not issue a ruling or hold Trump in contempt.

Few people think Trump is being treated the same as other criminal defendants, poll finds

As the first criminal prosecution of a former American president began just 13% nationwide feel Donald Trump is being treated the same as other criminal defendants, according to a new CNN poll conducted by SSRS

Most of the country was divided over whether he is being treated more harshly (34%) or more leniently (34%) than other defendants.

The poll, which began fielding a few days after the trial’s jury selection phase kicked off April 15, finds only 44% of Americans express confidence that the jury chosen for the case will be able to reach a fair verdict, while 56% more skeptical that a fair outcome is in the cards. More see Trump’s behavior during the trial thus far as inappropriate (42%) than appropriate (25%), with about a third saying they haven’t heard enough to say.

Those assessments of how things are playing out in the courtroom come as a rising share of Americans say the charges in the ongoing trial – related to allegedly falsifying business records to conceal hush money payments to an adult film actress Stormy Daniels ahead of the 2016 election – are irrelevant to his fitness for the presidency even if true (45% say so now compared with 39% last summer, before he became the presumptive Republican nominee for president)

Read more about the poll here

See courtroom sketches from Trump's trial today

No cameras are allowed inside the Manhattan courtroom where Donald Trump’s hush money trial is underway, but CNN sketch artist Christine Cornell captured the scenes from today’s proceedings:

In this court sketch, former President Donald Trump, bottom left, watches as “tabloid king” David Pecker returns to the stand in Manhattan Criminal Court in New York on Thursday.
Trump and one of his attorneys, Emil Bove, and Judge Juan Merchan, top center, listen to Pecker, not pictured, as the "tabloid king" testifies.
Pecker continues to testify on Thursday.
Trump sits in the courtroom.
Judge Juan Merchan.

The defense began cross-examination of Pecker. Here's a recap of some of the top lines

The defense started its cross-examination of David Pecker, the former publisher of the National Enquirer.

Trump attorney Emil Bove tried to argue that Pecker’s work helping Donald Trump during the 2016 election was nothing new or out of the ordinary.

Bove’s cross-examination lasted just over an hour before court ended for the day. The defense will continue its questioning with Pecker on Friday.

Here are some of the key points:

  • Bove started his cross-examination by asking Pecker to confirm he was with American Media Inc., the National Enquirer’s parent company, from 1999 to 2020. When asked, Pecker acknowledged he still has equity in AMI.
  • Trump’s attorney asked Pecker if he managed AMI to make money. 
  • Bove confirmed with Pecker that the business model included buying stories, reiterating Pecker’s own words that AMI uses “checkbook journalism.”
  • Bove also confirmed source agreements were “standard operating procedure” for AMI, to give the company control of how, if at all, the information might be released.

Merchan says there will be a hearing Wednesday about prosecution's request to hold Trump in contempt

Before leaving the bench, Judge Merchan reiterated that he signed the order to show cause regarding the prosecution’s latest request to hold Trump in contempt for the four new violations of the gag order. It came after the prosecution filed a motion and argued in court that Trump violated the gag order four more times over the past few days.

There will be a hearing next Wednesday at 2:15 p.m. ET about that, he said.

Assistant District Attorney Chris Conroy addressed the additional violations in court Thursday morning, providing the judge with another proposed order to show cause, which Merchan signed.

At a hearing Tuesday morning, prosecutors had already asked Merchan to hold Trump in contempt for violating the gag order, citing 10 social media posts from before and during the trial. They also want the posts taken down. Merchan has yet to rule on these alleged violations.

Trump has two campaign events next Wednesday. He is required to be in court for the gag-order hearing unless the judge signs a waiver to excuse him.

Trump: What happened in the courtroom on Thursday was "breathtaking"

What happened in the courtroom on Thursday was “breathtaking,” former President Donald Trump said after court wrapped for the day.

He also described former tabloid boss David Pecker’s testimony as “amazing.”

“Open your eyes, we can’t let this continue to happen to our country,” he added, reiterating his complaint that this trial should have “never happened.”

Trump also commented on the “monumental” US Supreme Court hearing on the matter of his immunity in the federal election subversion case brought by special counsel Jack Smith.

“I hope it was made clear that a president has to have immunity or you don’t have a president. Or at most you can say it would be a ceremonial president. That’s not what the founders had in mind,” he said, adding he heard that the hearing was “quite amazing” and that the justices “were on their game.”

Judge agrees with prosecution's objection over Trump attorney's questions about Pecker's FBI interview

After the jury left the courtroom, Steinglass brought an objection, arguing that Bove’s questions to Pecker about the FBI interview were “improper” and left the jury “with a misimpression.”

Judge Juan Merchan sided with Steinglass and said they’ll have to correct that in front of the jury on Friday.

The judge said Bove’s actions left the jury with the impression that Pecker omitted information about Hope Hicks.

Bove said, “The point of my question was that she was not in the meeting.”

Merchan said he wasn’t accusing Bove of doing it intentionally, but said he should “be very careful of that.”

Judge dismisses jury for the day

Judge Juan Merchan is telling the jury court is wrapping up for the day. He’s dismissing them for the day.

Only one juror appeared to look over at Trump at the defense table.

The prosecution finished its direct questioning of David Pecker. Here are key lines from this afternoon

Prosecutors finished their direct questioning of David Pecker Thursday afternoon. He testified for just about six hours over three days for the prosecution.

Pecker, who is the former publisher of the National Enquirer, continued to give details of the repercussions of the “catch-and-kill” schemes to help Donald Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign.

Here’s a recap from this afternoon:

  • Pecker testified that Trump inquired about Playboy playmate Karen McDougal twice in settings where she wasn’t immediately relevant. Pecker paid to kill a story about an alleged affair between Trump and McDougal just a few months before the 2016 election. “How’s Karen doing?” Pecker said Trump asked during a dinner at the White House in 2017. Pecker said he told him she’s doing well and “she’s quiet.”
  • He testified about his August 2017 meeting with McDougal and her attorney Keith Davidson to make sure the National Enquirer’s parent company, American Media Inc., was holding up their end of the agreement with her. Pecker also described talking to White House staffers Hope Hicks and Sarah Huckabee Sanders about amending the agreement with McDougal.
  • When McDougal filed a lawsuit against AMI, Pecker settled and gave her lifetime rights back, he testified. Pecker says that Trump was skeptical of the idea.
  • Pecker also testified about his deal with the Southern District of New York in 2018 to avoid being charged with campaign violations over the payment to McDougal. He cooperated and signed the non-prosecution agreement. He also confirmed he signed a cooperation agreement with the Manhattan district attorney’s office in 2019 that gave him immunity.
  • Pecker says he hasn’t spoken to Trump since February 2019 but still considers him a friend.

Attorneys are at the bench after request from Steinglass

The attorneys are at the bench.

Steinglass asked to approach over an objection to Bove’s series of questions about Pecker’s past testimony relating to Hope Hicks’ involvement in the August 2015 Trump Tower meeting.

Pecker confirms he didn't say Hope Hicks was at Trump Tower 2015 meeting in government interview 

Bove asked Pecker whether he told agents at a July 2018 interview that Hope Hicks attended the August 2015 meeting with Cohen and Trump.

Steinglass objected to this question, and Judge Juan Merchan sustained the objection.

Bove then tries again. Pecker asks to see what Bove is referring to, where he didn’t mention Hicks. Bove is trying to get Pecker to confirm that he did not mention Hicks when he first told prosecutors in 2018 about the August 2015 Trump Tower meeting.

Meanwhile, Trump is sitting with his arms crossed. He and his other attorney Todd Blanche are leaning over to whisper to each other.

The judge, attorneys and Pecker are reviewing a report from a 2018 interview Pecker had with the government.

Bove again seeks to confirm the report does not indicate that Pecker told the government Hicks was at the August 2015 Trump Tower meeting.

Pecker now confirms he didn’t mention Hicks being at the August 2015 Trump Tower meeting in the government interview.

Bove asks Pecker to confirm prior testimony about Cohen always angling for something for himself

Bove asks Pecker to confirm his prior testimony that Michael Cohen was always angling for something for himself.

The former publisher confirmed that Cohen asked Pecker to promote personal business ventures for him and his family throughout the years.

Bove says that Pecker had been working with Cohen for at least 8 years before the August 2015 meeting with Cohen. “Yes,” Pecker responds.

He confirmed that in 2015 and 2016, Cohen was always clear that he was Trump’s personal attorney and he was not working for the campaign.

Pecker describes his meetings with prosecutors

Pecker said the most recent meeting he had with prosecutors was a few weeks ago, and he’s had about three to five meetings with prosecutors this year.

He said he remembered five to six meetings with federal prosecutors in June, July and August 2018.

Bove then asked a series of questions about how prosecutors prepared Pecker to give “consistent” testimony each time he’s testified.

Bove challenges Pecker about timing of Trump Tower 2015 meeting

Bove is now focusing on the Trump Tower meeting in August 2015.

Bove confirms with Pecker that he first told prosecutors the Trump Tower meeting was the first week of August in 2015 — prosecutors corrected Pecker in that meeting telling him Trump had a debate so it couldn’t have been then.

Pecker says, “I discovered it was the middle of August.”

Bove pokes holes at Pecker’s memory, suggesting that he was told Trump was away from the city the first week of August 2015. Pecker says he doesn’t remember being told that.

Pecker confirms he told the grand jury the meeting happened the first week of August 2015.

Bove challenges him, saying that he now “changed” his testimony about the timing on the stand now at trial.

“I don’t mean to put you on the spot” Bove says, adding that it’s hard to remember what people said almost 10 years ago.

Bove says there are some things “that your mind fills in the gaps.”

“What I’m getting at is these things happened a long time ago. And even when you’re doing your best … it’s hard to remember exactly what happened when,” Bove says.

Pecker shrugs and says he’s testifying to the best of his knowledge to be truthful.

Pecker says, “I didn’t feel that I added in language.”

Jurors watch closely as Bove questions Pecker

Members of the jury are watching Bove and Pecker closely during this cross-examination. Some jurors who are seated closer to the gallery occasionally look out into the gallery at the reporters.

Trump sitting with folded arms as he watches David Pecker on the stand

Trump has his arms folded across his body as he watches David Pecker answer Bove’s questions.

Trump's attorney asks Pecker about tactics National Enquirer used for other celebrities

During cross-examination today, Trump attorney Emil Bove asked the former National Enquirer publisher about stories involving other celebrities and politicians. 

Trump’s attorney sought to establish with David Pecker that AMI used “checkbook journalism” to control narratives in the press and fostered mutually beneficial relationships with several celebrities – not just Trump.

  • Arnold Schwarzenegger: Bove walked through Pecker’s earlier testimony about a “catch and kill” deal with Arnold Schwarzenegger shortly before he announced his run for California governor. Bove stated that 30 or 40 women ended up coming to AMI with stories about Schwarzenegger, and Pecker confirmed the statement.
  • Mark Wahlberg: Pecker said he helped agent Ari Emanuel get control over a story about the actor.
  • Rahm Emanuel: Pecker said he helped suppress a negative story with allegations about the former Chicago mayor and current US ambassador to Japan as a favor to his brother Ari.
  • Tiger Woods: David Pecker confirmed to Bove that the company purchased photos of the golfer “to leverage them against Woods to get him in the magazine.”

Pecker continued to respond “yes” to most of Bove’s questions, effectively letting the Trump attorney weave a narrative with short responses from the publisher.

CNN has reached out for comment from Arnold Schwarzenegger, Rahm Emanuel, Ari Emanuel, Mark Wahlberg and Tiger Woods.