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Trump speaks to reporters after testimony in civil fraud trial
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What we covered

  • Contentious testimony: Donald Trump testified under oath Monday in his New York civil fraud trial where he was pressed about the values of his properties — and his role in their appraisals. The former president leaned on the disclaimers in his financial statements as defense in the trial, and ramped up verbal attacks on the judge and New York attorney general when asked if values were overstated.
  • The lawsuit: The $250 million lawsuit brought by the New York attorney general’s office alleges that Trump and his co-defendants committed repeated fraud in inflating assets on financial statements to get better terms on commercial real estate loans and insurance policies. The judge already ruled the former president is liable for fraud and he’s considering how much the Trumps will have to pay in damages.
  • Why it matters: The case is civil, not criminal, but threatens Trump’s business in New York. James is seeking to bar Trump from doing business in the state and to dissolve his companies. Trump’s testimony Monday serves as a precursor to the four criminal trials he faces next year as he campaigns to regain the presidency.

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Key takeaways from Trump’s day on the stand

In this courtroom sketch, former President Donald Trump testifies in New York Supreme Court on Monday.

Donald Trump brought bombastic rhetoric to the witness stand Monday in the civil fraud case against him and his business, as he spent his time on the stand attacking the New York attorney general who brought the case and the judge overseeing the trial itself.

Trump’s testimony at times mimicked his appearances on the campaign trail, where the former president has made the four criminal cases against him – along with the New York attorney general’s civil fraud case – a central part of his argument to be elected president again in 2024.

Judge Arthur Engoron, who has clashed with Trump throughout the trial, at first tried to stop the former president’s political barbs and speechifying, telling his lawyer Chris Kise to “control your client” and threatening to have Trump removed as a witness. Eventually, the judge stropped trying to control Trump – he and the attorney general’s lawyer questioning Trump let him rant, and then mostly disregarded the missives.

The high-stakes civil case strikes at the heart of Trump’s brand – his real estate empire. New York Attorney General Letitia James is suing Trump for $250 million and seeking to bar him from doing business in the state. Engoron has already ruled Trump and his co-defendants were liable for fraud. The New York attorney general’s office said they will rest their case after Ivanka Trump’s testimony on Wednesday.

Here are some of the key takeaways from Trump’s day on the stand:

  • Trump’s campaign comes to the courtroom: The former president’s rhetoric at times during his testimony might as well have been at one of his rallies in front of supporters. He went after the attorney general. The judge. And the “political witch hunt” that he’s been railing against for years now. On the witness stand, the charged rhetoric was even more remarkable, as he attacked the judge sitting right next to him, with James in the courtroom watching his testimony just feet away. “The fraud is on the court, not on me,” Trump said.
  • Trump gets an angry response from the judge: Judge Engoron tried at the outset of Trump’s testimony to stop the former president from making speeches and instead answer the questions, but it did little to change Trump’s approach. The judge responded by threatening to remove Trump from the witness stand, though that didn’t deter the former president either. “This is not a political rally,” Engoron said to Trump, telling Trump’s attorney Christopher Kise to “control your client.”
  • Trump acknowledges changing valuation of Trump Tower triplex: The attorney general’s office pressed Trump on the properties central to his identity and brand: Mar-a-Lago, Trump Tower and other key parts of his real estate empire. The AG’s office attorney Kevin Wallace also pressed Trump on why valuations of properties were changed, such as his Trump Tower triplex, which was devalued on his financial statement in 2017 after a Forbes article found he had dramatically exaggerated the size of the apartment. Trump acknowledged there had on occasion been mistakes, such as the Trump Tower apartment valuation.
  • Trump’s descriptions of his properties: The former president’s rhetorical flourishes went beyond attacking those who are investigating him. He also took the opportunity to play salesman and play up his properties. One of his chief complaints about the judge is a citation in his decision that Mar-a-Lago was worth $18 million, a number based on Florida tax appraisal records “It’s much more valuable,” Trump said of Mar-a-Lago, “and we’ll show that in two weeks or five weeks or nine weeks or whenever this thing goes, that it’s biggest value is using it as a club.” Wallace took the answer to pin him down on that valuation. “You believe that as of today Mar-a-Lago is worth $1.5 billion?” Wallace asked. “I think between a billion and a billion-five,” Trump responded.

Keep reading takeaways here.

New York attorney general slams "distractions" during Trump testimony

New York Attorney General Letitia James called Donald Trump’s actions and attacks against her and Judge Arthur Engoron on the stand “distractions.”

“At the end of the day, the documentary evidence demonstrated that, in fact, he falsely inflated his assets to basically enrich himself and his family,” James said.

“But I will not be bullied, I will not be harassed, this case will go on,” James said.

She said Trump on the stand “rambled, he hurled insults, but we expected that.”

The attorney general said her office looks forward to hearing Ivanka Trump’s testimony Wednesday and closing the case.

Attorney general's office says they will rest their case after Ivanka Trump’s testimony

The New York attorney general’s office said they will rest their case after Ivanka Trump’s testimony.

Former President Donald Trump’s daughter is set to testify on Wednesday. There is no court Tuesday, due to Election Day. 

The attorney general’s office expects to finish the direct examination of Ivanka Trump by 2 or 3 p.m. ET in the afternoon Wednesday.

Trump attorney Chris Kise said if that’s the case, they’ll question her on cross-examination through Thursday morning.

Per protocol, the defense will make motions after the attorney general rests.

Judge Arthur Engoron told Trump’s attorneys they can plan to start the defense case on Monday.

Kise also told the court they’re on track to finish a week early by December 15.

Trump after taking stand says "I think it went very well"

Donald Trump said “I think it went very well” after the former president took the stand for nearly four hours Monday in the civil fraud trial brought by the New York attorney general against him and his company.

“I think you saw what I had to say today and it was very conclusive,” Trump told reporters as he exited the courtroom. “Everything we did was absolutely right.”

Trump also looked to place the case that he called a “scam” in the broader context of his campaign for president and attacked the attorney general’s case.

“But, anyway, this is a case that should have never been brought and it’s a case that should be immediately dismissed,” he said before leaving.

Judge and Trump lawyers debate motion for a mistrial

Donald Trump’s lawyers said they want to make a motion for a mistrial, getting into an extended debate with Judge Arthur Engoron about how they can raise the conduct of his clerk that’s subject to a gag order.

“We would at least need to reference the subject matter,” Trump’s attorney Chris Kise said.

Initially, Engoron told Trump’s lawyers they should not file such a motion that referenced his staff, saying he put the gag order in place to protect them.

“I am 1000% convinced that you don’t have any right or reason to complain about my confidential communications,” Engoron said.

Trump’s attorneys, who have complained about Engoron’s note-passing with his clerk, claim it’s a sign of the trial’s bias and have urged Engoron to reconsider.

Trump attorney Alina Habba told the judge, “Obviously are going to be moving for a mistrial, that is part of the plan.”

“We need to have an opportunity to be heard on those things that have not been yet heard,” Habba said.

After conferring with his clerk, Engoron changed course and said that Trump’s attorneys could file a motion, but he asked them to do it in writing.

Once they agreed on a course of action, Engoron joked, “See I knew it would be a love fest.”

Trump was sitting back in his chair at the defense table while the exchange was going on.

Trump, attacking state of New York and Judge Engoron, says "I want a jury"

After a lengthy monologue from Donald Trump where he attacked the state of New York and said businesses are leaving because of cases “like his,” Kevin Wallace of the New York attorney general’s office calmly said to the former president, “I promise you Mr. Trump I’m trying to get you off the stand.”

“Great, I’m sure you are,” Trump replied.

Trump complained of “election interference” and a “very hostile judge,” referring to Judge Arthur Engoron.

Trump then said, “I don’t have a jury. And I want a jury,” he said.

Trump has complained about a lack of a jury throughout the trial.   

Experts have said his attorneys could have litigated a request for a jury ahead of the trial, although the chances that he would have gotten one were slim.

Trump finishes testimony in fraud trial; Ivanka Trump to testify Wednesday

Former President Donald Trump returns to the courtroom after a break in proceedings at New York Supreme Court, Monday, Nov. 6, 2023, in New York.

Former President Donald Trump has stepped down from the stand after nearly four hours of testimony in the civil fraud trial against him and his company.

The next witness will be his daughter Ivanka Trump on Wednesday, after which the attorney general’s office plans to rest its case.

Trump’s attorney Chris Kise said he believes the trial should end in mid-December.

Trump on whether he maintained accurate records from August 2014 onward: "I hope so"

In this courtroom sketch, former President Donald Trump testifies in New York Supreme Court on Monday.

When asked by the Kevin Wallace of the New York attorney general’s office whether he “maintained accurate books and records” from August 2014 going forward, Donald Trump said “I hope so.”

“I hope so, I didn’t keep them myself. I hope so,” Trump testified during his civil fraud trial Monday.

“You don’t know one way or the other?” Wallace asked.

AG attorney teases Trump about his long-winded answers

During questioning from Kevin Wallace of the New York attorney general’s office, Donald Trump went on a rant about how his net worth is “significantly higher” than the financial statements reported and also complained about the disclaimer clause that “goes on forever.”

Wallace then quipped, “That clause isn’t the only thing that goes on forever” referencing Trumps long-winded answers that have been the highlight of his testimony today.

Wallace got a reaction out of Trump by asking him whether he considers brand value part of his assets that cover the $2.5 billion.

The brand value is very substantial value. I didn’t even include that in the financial statements. I could have if I wanted to. If I was looking to build up the financial statement, I could put it in but I wasn’t looking to do that,” Trump replied.

Trump said as a total, some of his statements of financial condition are “much more.”

He complained the loan documents were “ancient history.”

“I don’t know how it doesn’t involve a statute of limitations,” Trump says.

Trump adds it “seems ridiculous to me, but that’s ok, that’s how it’s working with this one.”

Trump says "net worth of me" was greater than what financial statements showed

As Donald Trump continues testifying about loan agreements between the Trump Organization and Deutsche Bank, the former president said “the net worth of me was far greater than the financial statements.”

The loan agreements required Trump to maintain a net worth of at least $2.5 billion. The attorney general’s office has said Trump inflated his net worth on the annual financial statements, but Trump says his net worth is much higher than his statements ever showed.

Trump said he doesn’t know “why you are doing this for a bank that’s very rich, very big” and has the “best lawyers in the world.”

“Well, I understand it,” Trump said. “It’s called politics,” he said, emphasizing the final word. 

Trump testified Monday afternoon that the loan for a Chicago property – Chicago International Hotel & Towers – “was paid off in full, with no default, with no problem and the bank was thrilled.” 

Trump said that the Chicago loan was “long since gone.”

“Are you aware that the Trump Chicago loan was paid off last week?” Assistant attorney general Kevin Wallace asked Trump.

“I don’t know last week, but I know recently. On time, on schedule,” Trump relied.

Analysis: Americans are getting a glimpse of the next year in politics

Americans are seeing how the next year in presidential politics will play out.

Donald Trump, the potential Republican nominee, spent his day creating histrionics in a courtroom as the legal system tried to hold him to account.

The current president was meanwhile was on the road – touting an issue that encapsulates his philosophy just as Trump’s challenge to the rule of law defines his own political persona. “Amtrak” Joe Biden touted a $16 billion investment by his administration in the creaking US railroad system. 

“I know how much it matters,” said Biden, who was long waxed lyrical over his commutes between Delaware and Washington as a senator. As if by magic, trains in the critical east corridor briefly ground to a halt on Monday due to a security issue – rather proving the president’s point.

The dueling schedules may well be a taste of things to come since Trump could spend much of next year attending one or more of his criminal trials.

Trump’s goal is to paint a picture of a legal system out to get him on the orders of a president he claims he is trying to persecute him. Biden on the other hand is trying to show Americans – particularly blue collar voters who are attracted to Trump, that he’s actually using power to directly make their lives better.

Or to put it another way, Trump is known for going off the rails while Biden is trying to build more of them.

“I truly believe this country’s about to take off,” Biden said Monday. “For the first time in a long time we’re bringing pride back.”

That’s not so dissimilar from Trump’s mantra “Make America Great Again.” But that’s about the only thing he and his successor – and possible predecessor — have in common.

Trump says he had $2.5 billion in net worth to guarantee loans through Deutsche Bank

Assistant attorney general Kevin Wallace walked Donald Trump through a number of loan agreements between the Trump Organization and Deutsche Bank.

Wallace asked Trump to acknowledge his signature on the documents and to confirm that the loan documents included requirements of annual financial statements and a minimum net worth of $2.5 billion.

Trump personally guaranteed all the loans with Deutsche Bank’s private wealth management group for these properties, which is why he was bound by liquidity and net worth requirements.

Wallace reviewed 2012 documents binding the Trump Organization’s loan for the Doral Golf Resort & Spa. 

Trump confirmed he personally guaranteed the loan.

Wallace then highlighted the loan covenant that required Trump as the personal guarantor to maintain $50 million in unencumbered liquidity.

Trump said he complied with that requirement. “Yeah, I had a lot of cash,” he said.

“They wanted to have cash,” Trump says of Deutsche Bank

“It goes up and down,” Trump said. “But I’ve had a lot of cash a long time.”

The loan agreement also required him to maintain a net worth of $2.5 billion.

“Do you believe that you complied with this loan?” Trump was asked by Wallace.

“Yes, I do,” Trump replied. 

Trump said that he would not have had a hard time meeting the $2.5 billion net worth requirement in the loan document.

“I could have given them just a few assets,” the former president said.

Trump also said he believes he complied with the loan requirement for another property in Chicago – Chicago International Hotel & Towers —maintaining $50 million in unencumbered cash and a $2.5 billion net worth.

“This loan was paid off in full, with no default, with no problem and the bank was thrilled. They got all their money back,” Trump said. “The bank liked me very much.”

The complaint alleges Trump defrauded the bank by providing fraudulent, inflated financial statements to obtain the loans and to maintain them in the years after the initial transaction.

During this questioning, Trump’s attorney Chris Kise made yet another objection about the statute of limitations, which was overruled. 

Trump smirked during one of those objections when Engoron said, “Overruled, it’s in evidence.”

Kise has made frequent objections about the statute of limitations today, which have all been overruled.

Donald Trump is back on the stand after lunch break

Donald Trump has returned to the courtroom and is back on the stand after a lunch break.

The former president did not comment as he reentered the courtroom, offering only a thumbs up.

Court is expected to end today at 4:30 p.m. ET.

Trump team is happy with his testimony so far, source says 

After a contentious morning between Donald Trump and Judge Arthur Engoron in the New York civil fraud trial, the former president’s team is happy with the way he has handled his testimony so far and how it is unfolding, a source told CNN.

“He’s turning this into the Trump show,” the source said, describing what they see as the messaging success around today’s testimony. “That’s how he’s winning.”

Trump has already begun using the judge’s words to continue to paint this as election interference and politically motivated. In a post on Truth Social, the former president posted a quote from the judge over a picture of him.

“No, I’m not here to hear what [President Trump] has to say,” the quote reads. 

Trump's civil fraud trial breaks for lunch

Former President Donald Trump walks out of the courtroom during a break in proceedings at New York Supreme Court on Monday.

Former President Donald Trump’s civil fraud trial has broken for lunch, and will resume at 2:15 p.m. ET with Trump back on the stand.

Trump exited the courtroom during the lunch break. He did not speak, only giving a double thumbs up.

Here's what's at stake in the Trump civil fraud trial

The New York civil fraud trial against Donald Trump, his eldest sons, their companies and Trump Organization executives has continued Monday with testimony from the former president.

The civil trial about inflated assets in fraudulent financial statements started last month just after a shocking ruling by Judge Arthur Engoron at the end of September that found Trump and his co-defendants are liable for “persistent and repeated” fraud.

Trump inflated his net worth by as much as $3.6 billion in three separate years between 2011 and 2021, according to the attorney general’s office. Attorneys for Trump have refuted the claims, arguing that asset valuations are highly subjective and that they are still sorting through what the ruling means for the company’s future.

What’s at stake at trial: Trump and his companies could be forced to pay hefty sums in damages for the profits they’ve allegedly garnered through their fraudulent business practices. 

Engoron will consider just how much the Trumps and their businesses will have to pay. 

Since Engoron has already ruled on one of the claims — persistent and repeated fraud —he will now decide on the six other claims:

  • Falsifying business records
  • Conspiracy to falsify business records
  • Issuing false financial statements
  • Conspiracy to falsify false financial statements
  • Insurance fraud
  • Conspiracy to commit insurance fraud

The New York attorney general is seeking to bar Trump from doing business in the state and to dissolve his companies.

Engoron set aside more than three months for the trial, which could continue through late December.

Trump: "Everybody" within Trump Organization is responsible for identifying internal fraud

Donald Trump testified that ultimately “everybody” within the Trump Organization is responsible for identifying internal fraud, following questions from New York’s assistant attorney general.

“I would say everybody,” Trump responded to questioning.

In the years before he became president of the United States, employees would bring issues to him or other management executives to be resolved.

He recalled instances where building managers may have been illegally renting apartments to pocket the money themselves.

When it came to the financial statements, he said he figured Mazars USA, the accounting firm that Trump and his businesses used, would flag any issues. “I would assume Mazars would come and recommend something and we’d amend that procedure,” Trump said.

Just prior to the lunch break, Kevin Wallace from the New York attorney general’s office told the former president, “We’ll get through this particular document much more quickly if you say, ‘I don’t know,” while questioning him about a document addressing the cash flow for one of Trump’s buildings that shows a financial loss.

Trump then responded, “I don’t know.”

The property in question was 40 Wall St., one of the properties that is part of the lawsuit.

Trump leans on the disclaimers in his financial statements as defense in fraud trial

Former President Donald Trump prepares to testify during his trial in New York Supreme Court on Monday.

Donald Trump said his financial statements would always hold up in court — “except maybe in this court” — because of the disclaimers that are added to the statements.

Kevin Wallace of the New York attorney general’s office asked Trump if he was aware of any other properties on the financial statements from 2011-2017 that were overstated.

Trump replied: “I don’t know of any, but not that would have a material effect. Anything that would be a little bit off would be nonmaterial.”

The former president then pointed to the disclaimers on the financial documents saying that “They always hold up in court, expect maybe in this court, they always hold up in court, always. It’s a disclaimer.”

“One of the reasons I never got too involved in these statements is that clause is on page one, as you know better than anybody,” Trump says. “And that’s why we shouldn’t be having a case here.”

Trump was animated during this reply, saying any court but this judge would hold up the disclaimers in court.

Judge Arthur Engoron was observed puffing his cheeks during this interaction.

“People don’t know how good a company I’ve built,” Trump said as he attacked Attorney General Letitia James for prosecuting him. “Because people like you go around trying to demean me and hurt me,” Trump said, adding he was being prosecuted “probably for political reasons — in her case definitely,” referring to James seated in the front row.

The complaint filed by James addressed disclaimers, stating while they may relieve accountants of certain obligations that would otherwise adhere to their work on a more rigorous audit engagement, they do not give license to Mr. Trump or the Trump Organization to submit to their accountants fraudulent and misleading asset valuations for inclusion in the statements.

Trump goes after New York attorney general and judge in rant

In this October 17 photo, Attorney General Letitia James leaves the courtroom during the civil fraud trial of Former President Donald Trump at New York Supreme Court.

The past 45 minutes or so of testimony went along mostly without a hitch, but the past few minutes has seen former President Donald Trump ramp up the political rhetoric.

“What’s going on here, how can a thing like this be going on? It’s disgraceful,” Trump said after being asked about the Mar-a-Lago property evaluation, turning his attention to New York Attorney General Letitia James.

Trump also criticized Judge Arthur Engoron again for the ruling that Trump committed fraud issued before the trial.

“He called me a fraud and he didn’t know anything about me,” Trump said, referencing the judge. 

“Read my opinion perhaps or for the first time,” the judge retorted.

“I think it’s fraudulent, the decision,” Trump said. “The fraud is on the court, not on me.”

More background: Before and during the trial, Trump has relentlessly attacked James for bringing the case against him. He’s also attacked the judge for being biased against him, and he’s attacked the judge’s law clerk for being biased.

Trump’s conduct at the trial has already been a flashpoint – he’s been fined twice for violating a gag order barring him from speaking about the judge’s staff.

Judge interrupts Trump's "irrelevant" answer to questions about Scotland golf course valuation

Justice Arthur Engoron presides over the civil fraud trial of former President Donald Trump at New York Supreme Court on Monday.

As testimony began centering on the valuation of Donald Trump’s golf course in Aberdeen, Scotland — Trump lobbed an answer that Judge Arthur Engoron audibly deemed “irrelevant” to the question.

The New York assistant attorney general asked Trump if the description in his 2014 financial statement was accurate for the property — which followed by Trump touting Aberdeen as a oil capitol making the property more valuable.

“Irrelevant, irrelevant, answer the question,” Engoron said speaking over Trump, one of the few times that’s happened since returning from the break.

Trump also used the opportunity to boast about the course.

As Trump gave a long-winded answer about the beauty of the course, Engoron said he would be following the assistant attorney general’s lead: “If you want to let the witness ramble on, non responsive, repeat himself.”

The assistant attorney general was trying, unsuccessfully, to get Trump to acknowledge a discrepancy on the number of properties that could be built in Aberdeen.

“It’s sort of like a painting. You can do pretty much what you want to do. The land is there and you can do what you want to do,” Trump said.

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