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Rubio, Bondi and other Trump Cabinet picks face confirmation hearings

Florida's Former Attorney General Pam Bondi speaks during the annual Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) meeting on February 23, 2024, in National Harbor, Maryland. (Photo by MANDEL NGAN / AFP) (Photo by MANDEL NGAN/AFP via Getty Images)
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• Confirmation hearings: President-elect Donald Trump’s pick for attorney general, Pam Bondi, is fielding questions about her loyalty to Trump and promised there will “never be an enemies list” at the Department of Justice if she is confirmed. Meanwhile, Sen. Marco Rubio — Trump’s choice for secretary of state — is appearing in front of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, where he has been giving his positions on foreign policy and global conflicts.

• Who else is on the Hill: John Ratcliffe, Sean Duffy, Chris Wright, and Russell Vought — Trump’s choices for CIA director, transportation secretary, energy secretary and Office of Management and Budget head, respectively — also have hearings Wednesday.

Biden’s closing message: President Joe Biden will deliver a farewell address from the Oval Office at 8 p.m. ET. In a letter, he wrote it has been the “privilege of my life” to serve the country.

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Confirmation hearing begins for Russ Vought, one of the key authors of Project 2025

The confirmation hearing for Russell Vought, who is President-elect Donald Trump’s pick to head the Office of Management and Budget, has started.

Senators on the Homeland Security Committee will be asking Vought questions.

Vought was one of the key authors of Project 2025 — the conservative blueprint for a second Trump term that the president-elect tried to distance himself from during the campaign. He served as budget director during the first Trump administration and oversaw a widespread deregulation push.

OMB oversees the development and execution of the federal budget, and the office has significant influence over the president’s agenda.

During Trump’s first administration, Vought made a name for himself as a policy wonk committed to the MAGA movement. The president-elect has repeatedly praised Vought for doing an “incredible” and “fantastic” job at OMB.

Vought also served as the policy director of the Republican National Convention committee that rewrote the GOP’s official platform last year — a sign of how central he is to Republicans’ policy goals.

Bondi clashes with Democratic senator: "I’m not going to be bullied by you"

Former Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi testifies before the Senate Judiciary Committee during her confirmation hearing to be the next U.S. attorney general in the Hart Senate Office Building on Capitol Hill on January 15, 2025 in Washington, DC.

Attorney general nominee Pam Bondi and Democratic Sen. Alex Padilla of California repeatedly clashed during a heated exchange about the legitimacy of the 2020 election, which Donald Trump lost.

Padilla challenged Bondi during her confirmation hearing Wednesday to provide evidence of mass fraud in Pennsylvania that year. Bondi went to the state in November 2020 as part of the Trump campaign’s efforts to contest and overturn the election results. Bondi and Padilla cut each other off several times during the testy back-and-forth.

“I traveled to Pennsylvania,” Bondi said, before Padilla said, “You’re not answering my question.” After they both talked over each other, Padilla said he was moving on because Bondi was dodging.

At one point, Padilla interrupted his question, raised his finger at Bondi and said, “I’m speaking.”

Rubio: Designating cartels as foreign terrorist organizations is "imperfect tool" but may be "appropriate one"

Florida Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida said Wednesday that designating Mexican drug cartels as foreign terrorist organizations is “probably an imperfect tool” because they are “sophisticated criminal enterprises,” but did not rule out the possibility of doing so.

Rubio also did not rule out the use of military force to target the cartels, noting that “that’s an option the president has at his disposal.”

“I think President Trump is someone that never publicly discusses his options and leaves himself the flexibility to act,” he said.

Still, Rubio said his preference “would be that we can work with the Mexicans on this issue cooperatively.”

CNN reported last week that Trump’s team is discussing plans to designate Mexican cartels as terrorist organizations, according to three sources familiar with the discussions, bringing back an idea that failed to come to fruition during his first term in office.

Blinken says Rubio "understands the imperative of American engagement and American leadership"

Outgoing Secretary of State Antony Blinken offered praise for his likely successor, Sen. Marco Rubio, in an interview with CNN’s Christiane Amanpour on Wednesday.

The wide-ranging discussion largely focused on the developing ceasefire between Israel and Hamas, as well as the importance of alliances in the ongoing Russia-Ukraine conflict.

Rubio’s confirmation hearing in front of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee is ongoing.

Senate confirmation hearings for Marco Rubio and Pam Bondi resume

The confirmation hearings for President-elect Donald Trump’s picks for secretary of state, GOP Sen. Marco Rubio, and attorney general, Pam Bondi, have resumed after brief breaks.

Rubio is appearing before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. Meanwhile, Bondi is appearing before the Senate Judiciary Committee in one of two confirmation hearings for her this week.

Trump's transportation secretary pick Sean Duffy wants "tough love" for Boeing

President-elect Donald Trump’s pick for transportation secretary Sean Duffy discussed troubles with plane manufacturer Boeing and whether he would support more funding for Amtrak at his hearing to lead the Department of Transportation on Wednesday.

Testifying before the Senate Commerce Committee, the former GOP congressman told members that a priority for him would be restoring “global confidence in Boeing.”

The plane maker has had a string of incidents in recent years but said it has made strides to change operations and safety-related incidents.

Sen. Andy Kim of New Jersey asked Duffy about funding for Amtrak, which carried a record number of passengers in fiscal year 2024, and his thoughts on the importance of continuing that funding.

Duffy acknowledged he’s previously voted against funding for Amtrak during his stint in Congress but clarified that he represented a Northern district in Wisconsin where there is no Amtrak presence at the time.

“This committee has spoken loudly about Amtrak and rail in their home communities, and so I’m going to continue to work with the committee and abide by the law, enforce the law, and implement the law as passed by this body,” Duffy said.

Kim, a Democrat, also brought up the mysterious drones that were spotted in his state late last year.

“When it comes to flying over people’s personal homes, certainly when it comes to sensitive critical infrastructure, military installations, others, I think there just needs to be a tightening up here,” Duffy said. “And I think that that’s something we can do in a bipartisan (way) … and we need transparency.”

Bondi declines to say if she would investigate Jack Smith, says "no one has been prejudged"

Attorney General nominee Pam Bondi declined to say whether she would investigate former special counsel Jack Smith if confirmed, saying only that “no one has been prejudged.”

Democratic Sen. Mazie Hirono pressed Bondi over comments she made during the 2024 election cycle that “bad” prosecutors should be held criminally responsible. Donald Trump has repeatedly slammed Smith, saying he unfairly targeted him.

“Is Jack Smith one of those bad prosecutors that you will prosecute as AG?” Hirono asked.

“Senator, you hesitated a bit when I said ‘the bad ones,’” Bondi responded, before being cut off by Hirono.

“Sometimes bad is in the eye of the beholder, I am just asking whether you would consider Jack Smith to be one of the people,” Hirono said. “How about Liz Cheney? How about Merrick Garland?”

Bondi responded: “Senator, I am not going in to hypotheticals. No has been prejudged, nor will anyone be prejudged if I am confirmed.”

The hearing has adjourned for lunch.

Bondi and Rubio hearings are in breaks

The Senate confirmation hearings for President-elect Donald Trump’s pick for US attorney general Pam Bondi and his secretary of state choice Marco Rubio are taking breaks.

So far, Bondi has answered questions about her loyalty to Trump and vowed there will “never be an enemies list” at the Department of Justice if she is confirmed.

She has also made false claims about the phone call between Trump and Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger in 2021 and falsely claimed “there was a peaceful transition of power,” ignoring the January 6 attack on the US Capitol that disrupted the election certification.

Rubio criticized the International Criminal Court’s case against Israeli government officials, pledged to continue longstanding US policy toward Taiwan and said Russia’s war in Ukraine needs to end.

He also voiced his support for the bipartisan law he co-sponsored that prevents the US from withdrawing from NATO without Senate approval or an act of Congress.

His hearing was interrupted by several protesters.

Rubio pledges to continue longstanding policy toward Taiwan

Republican Sen. Marco Rubio, President-elect Donald Trump’s pick to be secretary of state, pledged to continue longstanding US policy toward Taiwan if confirmed to lead the State Department.

“I was the lead Republican sponsor in reauthorizing and reinvigorating” the Taiwan Relations Act, Rubio said at his Senate confirmation hearing Wednesday.

“Multiple consecutive presidential administrations of both parties have made clear that the policy of the United States towards Taiwan is encapsulated not just in the Taiwan Relations Act, but in the Six Assurances, that multiple administrations, including the Trump administration and now the Biden administration, have made clear are our policies,” he said.

Rubio also backed a strategy of deterrence to stop a Chinese invasion of the self-governing island, which Beijing says is a part of China.

“This is a foundational and definitional issue for Xi Jinping personally, and as a result, I think we need to wrap our head around the fact that unless something dramatic changes, like an equilibrium where they conclude that the costs of intervening in Taiwan are too high, we’re going to have to deal with this before the end of this decade,” the Florida Republican said.

The US does not have official relations with Taiwan but has a strong unofficial relationship and provides Taiwan with defensive weapons. Under the “One China” policy, the US acknowledges China’s position that Taiwan is part of China but has never officially recognized its claims to Taiwan.

Rubio says official US position should be that the Russia-Ukraine war should end

Sen. Marco Rubio testifies before a Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearing on his nomination to be Secretary of State, on Capitol Hill in Washington, DC, on January 15, 2025.

President-elect Donald Trump’s pick for secretary of state, Marco Rubio, said it’s “unrealistic to believe” Ukraine can push Russian forces back to where they were before the 2022 invasion, and that the official US position should be that the war should end.

“It’s … unrealistic to believe that somehow a nation the size of Ukraine, no matter how incompetent and no matter how much damage the Russian Federation has suffered as a result of this invasion, there’s no way Ukraine is also going to push these people all the way back to where they were on the eve of the invasion, just given the size dynamic,” said Rubio at his confirmation hearing Wednesday before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

Rubio said that he does not believe Ukraine has the manpower to fully push Russia back.

“The problem that Ukraine is facing is not that they’re running out of money, is that they’re running out of Ukrainians,” Rubio said.

Rubio added he and Trump agree about the war needing to come to an end and criticized the Biden administration for not setting a clear “end goal” for the war.

Such a position would differ from the outgoing Biden administration, which has maintained that negotiations on ending the war should be left up the Ukrainians.

Rubio said that he wanted to make sure Ukraine had leverage in negotiations, but that both Ukraine and the US would have to make concessions to Russia.

“There will have to be concessions made by the Russian Federation, but also by the Ukrainians and the United States,” Rubio said.

Bondi, evolving from her position in court, says she "will follow the law" on special counsels

Former Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi testifies before a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on her nomination to be US Attorney General, on Capitol Hill in Washington, DC, on January 15, 2025.

President-elect Donald Trump’s pick for attorney general, Pam Bondi, said during her confirmation hearing Wednesday that she “will follow the law” on special counsels.

Democratic Sen. Chris Coons of Delaware asked Bondi directly about her position opposing the appointment of special counsel Jack Smith, who investigated Trump, and she responded, “I will follow the law.”

The issue of special counsels is one of the biggest questions hanging over the next era of the Justice Department, and Bondi’s approach could signal an openness to again using the prosecutors on politically charged grand jury probes. (She said Wednesday she would not allow investigations that target individuals for political reasons.)

Some context: Attorney General Merrick Garland – and Donald Trump’s Justice Department during his first term – repeatedly used special counsel prosecutors for politically charged investigations, including Smith, Robert Hur, David Weiss, John Durham and Robert Mueller.

But Trump has attacked those appointments in court during his personal cases.

A Trump-appointed federal judge in Florida, Aileen Cannon, and Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas have said they disagree with these special counsel appointments, when the attorney general appoints a private lawyer to lead a special prosecutors’ office that hasn’t received explicit congressional approval. The Justice Department is still challenging in court the agency’s power to use special counsel’s offices in Florida.

Bondi’s response to Coons acknowledged the ongoing court challenge, before the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals, where she has signed an amicus brief opposing the Smith special counsel appointment.

Yet she also told Coons that at this time, she’d follow where the courts stand – which across the country, and especially in Washington, DC, have allowed special counsels’ criminal cases to move forward, after other judges found their appointments and their work to be sound.
The nationwide law currently is that the attorney general can bring in a private citizen to be a special counsel.

“I will follow the law, and I will consult with the appropriate ethics officials,” Bondi said Wednesday, on the power of the attorney general to appoint a special counsel.

Bondi does not explicitly say that Joe Biden won the 2020 election

Democratic Sen. Mazie Hirono pressed President-elect Donald Trump’s pick for attorney general Pam Bondi on who won the 2020 presidential election — a question Bondi refused to directly answer.

“Ms. Bondi, we want an attorney general who bases decisions on facts. So I want to ask you a factual question. Who won the 2020 presidential election?” Hirono pressed.

“Joe Biden is the president of the United States,” Bondi responded.

“Miss Bondi, you know that there is a difference between acknowledging it and, you know, I can say that Donald Trump won the 2024 election. I may not like it, but I can say it. You cannot say who won the 2020 presidential election. It’s disturbing that you can’t give voice to that fact,” Hirono said.

Rubio says he supports law preventing Trump from withdrawing from NATO without congressional approval

Sen. Marco Rubio testifies during his Senate Foreign Relations confirmation hearing at Dirksen Senate Office Building on January 15, 2025 in Washington, DC.

President-elect Donald Trump’s pick for secretary of state, Republican Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida, voiced his support for the bipartisan law he co-sponsored that prevents the US from withdrawing from NATO without Senate approval or an act of Congress.

Rubio was responding to a question from the ranking Democratic member of the panel, Sen. Jeanne Shaheen of New Hampshire, about whether he would adhere to the law if Trump tries to withdraw the US from NATO.

Rubio noted that Trump has picked a nominee for US ambassador to NATO, indicating the president-elect takes the alliance seriously.

Rubio also voiced his support for NATO generally, while arguing that certain member states should better fund their defense budgets.

“Should the role of the United States in NATO in the 21st century be the primary defense role, or as a backstop to aggression, with countries in the region assuming more of that responsibility by contributing more?” Rubio asked rhetorically.

Some background: Trump said on the campaign trail that he would encourage Russia to do “whatever the hell they want” to any NATO member country that doesn’t meet spending guidelines on defense in a stunning admission he would not abide by the collective-defense clause at the heart of the alliance.

Wright says he stands by past comments that "the hype over wildfires is just hype"

Chris Wright arrives to testify before a US Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee hearing on his nomination to be Secretary of Energy, on Capitol Hill in Washington, DC, on January 15, 2025.

President-elect Donald Trump’s energy pick Chris Wright said he stands by past social media comments that “the hype over wildfires is just hype” to justify climate policies he views as detrimental.

Democratic Sen. Alex Padilla of California, whose state is currently battling massive wildfires in Los Angeles, asked Wright if he stood by those comments in light of the current deadly and devastating fires.

“I stand by my past comments,” Wright said during the tense exchange with Padilla.

“Tell that to the families of the more than two-dozen people” who lost their lives, Padilla shot back.

Wright later said the fires were “horrific.”

Trump’s CIA pick says he will not impose "political litmus tests" at agency during rapid-fire Q&A

John Ratcliffe speaks during a Senate Intelligence confirmation hearing on Capitol Hill on January 15, 2025 in Washington, DC.

President-elect Donald Trump’s pick for CIA Director, John Ratcliffe, said he will not impose “political litmus tests” at the agency as he answered a series of rapid-fire questions from a key senator on the Intelligence Committee during his confirmation hearing on Wednesday.

The questions by Sen. Angus King mirrored what he asked Ratcliffe four years ago during his confirmation hearing to be the Director of National Intelligence — a role he served in during Trump’s first term.

Here’s a portion of the exchange between King and Ratcliffe:

King: “Would you consider an individual’s personal political preferences to include loyalty to the president in making the decision to hire fire or promote an individual?”

Ratcliffe: “No.”

King: “And do you commit to exclusively consider professional qualifications, and I see personnel decisions, duration of partisan or political factors?”

Ratcliffe: “Yes.”

King: “If you were to receive credible evidence as director of CIA that an individual was undermining objectivity and furthering a political agenda in the intelligence community, would you remove or discipline that person?”

Ratcliffe: “Yes.”

King: “Will you or any of your staff impose a political litmus test for CIA employees?”

Ratcliffe: “No.”

King: “Finally, if confirmed, will you reassure your workforce that loyalty tests are not allowed and not encouraged in the CIA?”

Ratcliffe: “I will.”

Ratcliffe’s answers prompted a positive reaction from King, who noted they were the same as the responses he provided four years ago.

Bondi vows to follow DOJ policy to limit contacts between White House and department

Pam Bondi, President-elect Donald Trump’s attorney general nominee, vowed to follow the Justice Department’s policy to limit contacts between the White House and the Justice Department.

At her confirmation hearing Wednesday, Bondi was pressed on her view of the Justice Department’s traditional independence and the existing policy, which generally limits contact with the White House in order to insulate enforcement actions and pending investigations.

The current policy generally limits contact on decisions related to criminal and civil cases to between top White House Counsel’s office officials and the attorney general, deputy attorney general, and in some cases, the associate attorney general.

Bondi, responding to questions from multiple senators, said she would follow the contacts policy, and added later:

Some background: Attorney General Merrick Garland issued the current White House contacts memo in 2021, but the Justice Department has had various versions of the policy since the abuses of former President Richard Nixon and Watergate. During the tenure of former Attorney General Alberto Gonzales from 2005-2007, White House officials worked with lower-level political appointees to draw up a list of US attorneys to be fired because they had displeased political officials in the White House, including on issues related to claims of vote fraud.

Trump over the years has viewed the Justice Department’s independence tradition as more malleable. In the closing days of his first administration, after then-Attorney General William Barr — and then the acting attorney general and deputy attorney general — rejected Trump’s vote fraud claims, Trump began working with a lower-level environmental lawyer to try to use the Justice Department to support his efforts to overturn the election results.

Trump has said he believes he has an “absolute right” to be involved in Justice Department matters.

Trump's DOJ picks will face issue of whether to recuse themselves from cases where they supported him

There’s a practical issue attorney general nominee Pam Bondi and several of the other top lawyers nominated to the Justice Department will have to confront: Will they recuse themselves from overseeing cases where they supported Donald Trump personally when he was a private citizen?

Often the Justice Department has been at odds with Trump, most starkly in the two federal criminal cases it brought against him: the classified documents case and federal election interference case. Though special counsel Jack Smith dropped the cases against Trump after the November election, their reverberations linger.

A Trump Justice Department will need to decide what to do with appeals in the classified documents case, and the potential for the case against his former co-defendants, Walt Nauta and Carlos De Oliveira.

The 2020 election aftermath also has lingering ripples for the Justice Department, with ongoing lawsuits seeking to hold Trump and others accountable for the violence on January 6, 2021. Those cases could require the DOJ to take positions before judges.

Bondi has signed on to an appellate amicus brief opposing Smith’s power to bring indictments against Trump and others — a position that’s in line with Trump, but that cuts against the powers of the attorney general that have been exercised in both Democratic and Republican administrations for years.

And Trump’s picks for the No. 2 and No. 3 positions at the Justice Department have been serving as his personal lawyers on his criminal proceedings for months. Those two, Todd Blanche and Emil Bove, are nominated to be deputy attorney general and principal associate attorney general, respectively. Trump’s top appellate lawyer on his personal defense team, John Sauer, is also his pick for US solicitor general, another one of the most powerful positions for lawyers in the federal government.

DOJ officials will have the opportunity to seek advice from the department internally, on whether they must recuse from cases personally related to Trump. But when they are in high-ranking legal positions, their own ethical choices matter greatly.

Bondi falsely claims Trump didn’t ask Georgia official to "find" votes to overturn 2020 results

Pam Bondi testifies before the Senate Judiciary Committee during her confirmation hearing for U.S. Attorney General in the Hart Senate Office Building on Capitol Hill on January 15, 2025 in Washington, DC.

Attorney General nominee Pam Bondi made a false claim Wednesday at her confirmation hearing about the infamous phone call where then-President Donald Trump pressured Georgia’s top election official to “find” enough votes to overturn the 2020 results.

Sen. Richard Durbin, the top Democrat on the Senate Judiciary Committee, grilled Bondi about the January 2021 call between Trump and Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger. In that nearly hourlong call, Trump talked to Raffensperger about supposed voter fraud and said, “all I want to do is this. I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have, because we won the state.”

Durbin asked Bondi, “As a former prosecutor, are you not concerned that the President of the United States called a state election official and asked him to ‘find’ enough votes to change the results of the election?”

Bondi said she had only heard some clips of the call, and disputed Durbin’s description of the conversation.

“I have not listened to the hourlong conversation, but It’s my understanding that is not what he asked him to do,” Bondi said.

“You need to listen to it,” Durbin replied.

Federal and state prosecutors cited the call as part of their separate 2020 election subversion indictments against Trump. But Justice Department special counsel Jack Smith withdrew his case after Trump’s 2024 victory, and the Georgia prosecutor who filed that state case was recently disqualified due to potential misconduct.

Rubio criticizes International Criminal Court case against Israeli government

Sen. Marco Rubio testifies during his Senate Foreign Relations confirmation hearing at Dirksen Senate Office Building on January 15, 2025 in Washington, DC.

Sen. Marco Rubio on Wednesday railed against the International Criminal Court’s case against Israeli government officials, saying it “has done tremendous damage to its global credibility.”

He said the organization’s attempt to prosecute Israeli government officials, including Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, over the war in Gaza sets “a very dangerous precedent for the United States of America.”

What Biden and Trump have said: Both President Joe Biden’s administration and President-elect Donald Trump’s team have decried the ICC’s arrest warrant against Netanyahu and have argued the court does not have jurisdiction.

Trump imposed sanctions on the ICC prosecutor the last time he was in office, and his incoming national security adviser Mike Waltz has already threatened a response. “The ICC has no credibility and these allegations have been refuted by the U.S. government. Israel has lawfully defended its people & borders from genocidal terrorists. You can expect a strong response to the antisemitic bias of the ICC & UN come January,” he wrote on X in November.

There is also a bill that passed the House that would give broad authority to sanction anyone involved with the court.

Several climate protesters disrupt hearing for Trump's energy secretary pick

Several climate protesters have disrupted the hearing of Trump energy secretary pick Chris Wright and have been led away by police. CNN has counted four protesters so far – all of them have referenced the Los Angeles wildfires which are fueled by climate change.

One protester accused senators of asking soft-ball questions of Wright and not taking climate change seriously.