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Michael Cohen testifies before Congress

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What we covered here

  • Michael Cohen: President Trump’s former fixer testified before members of the House Oversight Committee.
  • What he said: Cohen answered questions about the decade he spent working for Trump, including how the President allegedly spoke with Roger Stone about WikiLeaks.
  • Some context: Cohen has pleaded guilty to lying to Congress about the Russia investigation. However, the circumstances of this hearing following Cohen’s cooperation with special counsel Mueller made it extremely difficult for him to lie or dodge questions.
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Here's what we learned from Cohen's testimony

President Trump’s former fixer Michael Cohen testified for hours in front of the House Oversight Committee today.

While much of the hearing was simply partisan jousting (Republicans tried to discredit Cohen, who pleaded guilty to lying to Congress, and Democrats sought to tease out details of Trump’s role in hush money payments), we did learn quite a bit.

Here are the key takeaways:

  1. Cohen said Trump spoke with Roger Stone about WikiLeaks.
  2. Cohen confirmed Trump directed him to pay off Stormy Daniels and Karen McDougal.
  3. Cohen said Trump lawyer Jay Sekulow (and others) edited his congressional testimony in August 2017.
  4. Cohen said he briefed Ivanka Trump and Donald Trump Jr. a number of times about Trump Tower Moscow.
  5. Cohen made clear that Trump never directly asked him to lie to Congress.
  6. Cohen said he has never been to Prague.
  7. Hope Hicks called Cohen when the “Access Hollywood” tape broke.
  8. Cohen never sought a presidential pardon.

What you need to know about Allen Weisselberg

The name Allen Weisselberg came up a few times in today’s testimony.

In answering a question about who knew that President Trump provided inflated assets to an insurance company, Michael Cohen named Weisselberg among other people.

Here’s what you need to know about Weisselberg:

  • He served as Trump Organization’s chief financial officer.
  • He received immunity from federal prosecutors for his testimony in the Cohen investigation.
  • His relationship with Trump dates back decades.
  • He was also the treasurer of Trump’s charity, helped prepare Trump’s tax returns. He is also the only non-family member to serve as trustee of the trust that holds the President’s interest in his own companies.

Watch more:

Cummings: It appears Trump committed a crime

House Oversight Chairman Elijah Cummings said he believes Michael Cohen — and based on his testimony it “appears” President Trump committed a crime.

“I believe he told the truth,” Cummings told reporters after the end of the hearing.

Then, a reporter asked: “Do you believe the President committed a crime while in office?”

“Based on what — looking at the text and listening to Mr. Cohen, it appears that he did,” Cummings said.

Cummings did not outline specific steps he and the committee would take next, but he said they must be “effective and efficient in everything we do.”

Cummings also said today’s testimony marked an “important day” in American history and an opportunity “to get back to center.”

“Today, I think, was a very important day. I tell my staff that 200 years from now people will be reading about this moment,” he told reporters. “We have a situation where we have strayed so far away from normal in our country. We’ve got to get back to center. And I think today was, at least, an opportunity to do that.”

See his remarks below:

You need to watch Rep. Cummings' closing remarks

House Oversight Chairman Elijah Cummings showed empathy for Michael Cohen in his closing remarks.

“For whatever reason, it sounds like you got caught up in it,” he told Cohen.

Cummings then explained the significance of the President calling Cohen a “rat.

“When you call somebody a rat that’s one of the worst things you can call them because when they go to prison that means a snitch. I’m just saying. And so the President called you a rat. We’re better than that, we really are,” he said.

He went on to say he doesn’t know if people will believe Cohen — but he hoped it leads to something better for everyone.

“I know that you are worried about your family, but this is a part of your destiny and hopefully this portion of your destiny will lead to a better, a better, a better Michael Cohen, a better Donald Trump, a better United States of America and a better world and I mean that from the depths of my heart,” Cummings said.

Watch his remarks:

Cohen: I hope my testimony "helps in order to heal America"

Michael Cohen made a brief statement following his day-long testimony in front of the House Oversight Committee. He did not take any reporters’ questions.

Here’s what he said:

Cohen's closing remarks: "My loyalty to Mr. Trump has cost me everything"

In his closing remarks before the House Oversight Committee, Michael Cohen said he lost everything because he “blindly followed” President Trump.

He warned what could happen if Trump loses the 2020 election.

“Given my experience working for Mr. Trump, I fear that if he loses the election in 2020 that there will never be a peaceful transition of power,” Cohen said. And this is why I agreed to appear before you today.”

Trump’s former fixer then spoke directly to Trump and blasted him from attacking those who speak out against him.

“You don’t shut down the government before Christmas and New Years just to appease your base. This behavior is churlish, it denigrates the office of the president and it simply is un-American. And it’s not you. So to those that support the President and his rhetoric as I once did, I pray the country doesn’t make the same mistakes that I have made or pay the heavy price that my family and I are paying,” Cohen said.

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez just assured this hearing is the beginning

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez opened up the door for future conversations about President Trump’s tax returns and assets.

The Democrat from New York asked if Trump ever inflated assets (Cohen said he did) and asked how Congress could learn more. Cohen then named people who could offer more information — and said a review of Trump’s financial statements could provide more details.

Here’s how the exchange unfolded:

Ocasio-Cortez: To your knowledge, did the President ever provide inflated assets to an insurance company?

Cohen: Yes.

Ocasio-Cortez: Who else knows that the President did this?

Cohen: Allen Weisselberg, Ron Lieberman, and Matthew Calamari.

Ocasio-Cortez: Where would the committee find more information on this? Do you think we need to review his financial statements and tax returns in order to compare them? 

Cohen: Yes, and you would find it at the Trump Org. 

This exchange at the hearing says so much about America right now

House Oversight Committee chairman Elijah Cummings refereed tensions after a Democratic member and a Republican member began arguing about racism.

First, some background: In his questioning earlier today, GOP Rep. Mark Meadows introduced Lynne Patton, a high-ranking political official in the Department of Housing and Urban Development.

In a stunning exchange, Meadows claimed Patton, who is black, doesn’t agree with Michael Cohen’s assessment that Trump is a racist, since she was hired to work for him.

Then Democratic Rep. Rashida Tlaib called him out. In her questioning, Tlaib said using a black woman as “a prop” is in itself racist.

Meadows jumped in and asked that Tlaib’s remarks be taken out of the record.

After some arguing, Cummings jumped in. He talked about his parents — who were “basically slaves” — and mentioned that he’s a close friend of Meadows.

“First of all, I want to thank the gentleman for what stated. If there’s anyone who is sensitive with regard to race, it’s me, son of former sharecroppers that were basically slaves, so I get it,” he said.

“I listen very carefully to Ms. Tlaib, and I think, and I don’t want to, I’m not going to put words in her mouth, but I think she said that she was not calling you a racist, and I thought that we could clarify that, because, Mr. Meadows, you know, of all the people on this committee, I’ve said it — and got in trouble for it — that you’re one of my best friends.”

Cohen: Trump directed me to find a straw bidder to buy his portrait

Michael Cohen described an instance in 2013 in which he found a straw bidder to rank up the price of a portrait of President Trump during an charity auction.

According to Cohen, the “fake bidder” purchased the portrait for $60,000.

He said Trump tasked him to find a straw bidder to ensure his painting went for the highest amount that day.

Earlier today, Cohen alleged that Trump directed the Trump Foundation to use its funds to reimburse the bidder and kept the art, which Cohen claims currently hangs in one of Trump’s country clubs.

Cohen says he doesn't know if Trump's tax returns were really under audit

Rep. Jimmy Gomez, a Democrat from California, asked Michael Cohen about President Trump’s tax returns.

Trump did not release his returns during the 2016 presidential campaign, saying they were under audit.

“Mr. Cohen, do you know whether President Trump’s tax returns were really under audit by the IRS in 2016?” Gomez asked.

Gomez followed up: “So, do you have any inside knowledge about what was in the President’s tax returns that he refused to release?”

“I do not,” Cohen said.

Cohen then explained why he believed Trump refused to release his returns:

See this moment here:

The Cohen hearing just resumed

Here's what committee members did during the break

The House just passed the universal background check bill, H.R. 8, a bipartisan piece of legislation aimed at strengthening the background checks process on all gun sales, including gun shows and online purchases.

The vote was 240 to 190.

Once the vote was completed, there were prolonged, loud cheers from House Democrats.

We expect the Cohen hearing to resume in moments.

Expect at least another hour of testimony

House Oversight Committee Chairman Elijah Cummings told reporters he expects another hour to an hour and a half of testimony today.

Cummings didn’t want to comment on Michael Cohen’s testimony before everything concludes for the day.

The committee is currently on a break. When they come back, we expect to hear questions from five more Democratic members.

Trump campaign: Why did Congress even bother to swear in Cohen?

President Trump’s reelection campaign released a statement discrediting Michael Cohen’s testimony, calling Trump’s former fixer “a felon, a disbarred lawyer, and a convicted perjurer.”

Read the full statement:

Nancy Pelosi isn't watching the Cohen hearing

As she walked onto the floor for votes this afternoon, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi told reporters repeatedly that she did not have anything to say about Michael Cohen’s testimony so far, and she hasn’t seen any of it.

Asked about how she perceived the hearing, Pelosi said, “I haven’t gotten briefed. I’ve had my own schedule.”

She went on to criticize the President: “Let me say this: I care a lot more about the bad policies of Donald Trump than his bad personality. What he’s doing to undermine the constitution. His tax cuts for the wealthiest people at the expense of future generations. His denial of climate crisis. Every step of the way I’m more concerned about the impact of his policies on the lives of the American people. Whatever comes of the rest of this we’ll see. But my day to day is to fight him on some of these issues until we can find common ground on some of them.”

When testimony resumes, there are five Democrats left

Rep. Ayanna Pressley (r.) and Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez are two of the five Democrats left who still are waiting to ask questions.

The House Oversight Committee hearing where Michael Cohen has been testifying is currently on break.

Each of the 42 committee members gets five minutes to ask questions. There are five Democrats left who haven’t asked questions, and they’ll get their turns when the hearing returns from recess.

Those members are…

  • Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez from New York
  • Rashida Tlaib from Michigan
  • Ayanna Pressley from Massachusetts
  • Ro Khanna from Califronia
  • Jimmy Gomez from California

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez doesn't rule out impeachment proceedings

On her way to House votes this afternoon, Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, a Democrat from New York, was asked by reporters about whether Democrats have enough evidence from Michael Cohen’s testimony so far to move ahead with impeachment proceedings.

She did not rule it out.

“Well, we’ll see. You know the documents were just provided this morning so we need to really go through that, but I think there’s some very gravely concerning evidence and some new evidence,” Ocasio-Cortez said.

Why Rep. Jim Jordan says he's not concerned about Trump’s hush money payments

Rep. Jim Jordan, a Republican from Ohio, said he’s not alarmed about President Trump’s involvement in a hush money scheme and Michael Cohen presenting a copy of a check to back up his claims.

He said he believes the payments were for all sorts of services based on a retainer with Trump, though Cohen testified that they had no retainer.

About that check: In his testimony, Cohen explained how Trump instructed him to pay $130,000 to Stormy Daniels during the 2016 campaign for her silence about an alleged affair with Trump, which Trump denies. Trump then reimbursed Cohen as President for the payments, Cohen said — and he provided a copy of the check to show it.

Cohen said he didn't want a job in the White House. That's not what CNN has reported.

Earlier today, Michael Cohen sparred with Rep. Jim Jordan over whether he was aiming to get a job in the White House.

“I did not want to go to the White House,” Cohen told Jordan when the Ohio congressman said “You wanted to work in the White House and you didn’t get brought to the dance.”

But here’s what we know: CNN chief political correspondent Dana Bash said that assertion directly contradicts CNN’s reporting.

“I have been told … by people in and around the process, in real time, he very much wanted a job in the White House,” Bash said.

Watch more from Bash:

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GO DEEPER

Cohen set for revenge as Trump poised for an all-nighter in Hanoi
Read Michael Cohen’s opening statement to Congress
SEE: Reimbursement check Michael Cohen will say was signed by Trump
Michael Cohen won’t have to report to prison until May, judge rules