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Day 4 of Hunter Biden’s federal gun trial

Hunter Biden, son of U.S. President Joe Biden, departs federal court after a  plea hearing on two misdemeanor charges of willfully failing to pay income taxes in Wilmington, Delaware, U.S. July 26, 2023. REUTERS/Jonathan Ernst
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We’ve wrapped up our live coverage for the day. Scroll through the posts below for more on the fourth day of Hunter Biden’s federal gun trial.

Court is done for the day after testimony about how police tracked down Hunter Biden's gun. Here's the latest

Hunter Biden arrives to the J. Caleb Boggs Federal Building on June 6, in Wilmington, Delaware. 

The spotlight in court Thursday was on Hallie Biden — the widow of Hunter Biden’s late brother, Beau — who testified about her romantic relationship with Hunter, the pair’s drug use, and the concern for her brother-in-law’s safety that led her to throw away the gun at the center of the case.

Once Hallie Biden left the stand, a trio of witnesses testified about the series of events that led police to recovering the ditched weapon. They included:

  • A Delaware police officer, Joshua Marley, who responded to Hallie Biden’s call notifying police she had thrown away the gun at a nearby grocery store. Marley testified that he reviewed security video and searched trash cans at the store, but didn’t find the weapon. He also interviewed Hunter Biden as part of the case.
  • A former state trooper, Millard Greer, who described tracking down a man who collected recyclables from the store and had found the gun. When Greer approached the man, he handed over the weapon, ammunition and a speed loader, the former trooper testified.
  • The 80-year-old who found the gun, Edward Banner, who said he has been collecting recyclables to turn in for cash since he retired. That’s how he recovered the weapon, Banner said. He also testified that no one in his home uses cocaine — this was relevant because prosecutors say FBI investigators found cocaine residue on the pouch that contained Hunter Biden’s gun.

Meanwhile, outside of court this afternoon: President Joe Biden told interviewer David Muir of ABC that he would not pardon his son if convicted in the case.

Biden also criticized Donald Trump for questioning the verdict of his own criminal trial, saying he was trying to subvert the rule of law.

See courtroom sketches from Hunter Biden's trial

No cameras are allowed inside the Delaware courtroom where Hunter Biden’s trial is underway, but sketch artist Bill Hennessy is capturing the scenes.

Hallie Biden testifies about finding Hunter Biden's gun on Thursday, June 6, in Wilmington, Delaware, in this court sketch.
Hallie Biden in court on Thursday.
This court sketch shows a moment of video of Hallie Biden outside a supermarket, where she said she threw away the gun she found in Hunter Biden's car and then returned to find it.
Hallie Biden continues to testify as Judge Maryellen Noreika listens.
Hunter Biden in court on Thursday.
A former state trooper Millard Greer.

Prosecutors have 2 more witnesses for Friday; unclear if Hunter Biden will testify

Court is done for the day in the Hunter Biden trial in Wilmington, Delaware, and will resume Friday at 9 a.m. ET.  

Prosecutors have two more witnesses – an FBI chemist and a drug expert from the DEA. They expect to rest their case after that.   

Man who found the gun testifies

Edward Banner, an 80-year-old man who worked for General Motors for over 30 years, testified Thursday that he found a firearm in a trash can in 2018 outside a Delaware grocery store.  

Prosecutor Derek Hines stood right next to Banner as he questioned the Navy veteran, who is hard of hearing.  

Banner said he had a hobby of collecting recyclables since before he retired.  “I got a nick a piece for them,” Banner said, adding that now he would only get as much at 75 cents a pound.   

While Hines spoke to Banner in a loud slow tone, the prosecutor continued to nod along with the witness.  

Banner said he found a gun in a trash bin and put it in his General Motors lunch box.  

The retiree also identified a brown pouch he found with the gun.  

Prosecutors say FBI investigators found a white powder that tested positive for cocaine on the pouch years after it was found.  

Hines asked the 80-year-old if anyone in his house used cocaine.  

“No,” Banner said.  

Officer describes series of events that led to finding Hunter Biden’s gun 

Delaware State Police Lt. Greer described the series of events that led to the recovery of Hunter Biden’s gun. Investigators learned that an elderly man, Edward Banner, who liked to rummage around trash bins for recyclables may have taken the gun out of the trash can that Hallie Biden dropped it in.  

Greer surveilled the man before eventually approaching him. The man acknowledged that he found something very important in the trash.  

They went back to his home to retrieve the gun, but the man was locked out of his house and started “panicking,” Greer said.  

They eventually got inside, and the man led Greer to the gun, in a sock, in his dresser.  

Jill Biden returning to Wilmington today after D-Day ceremonies

President Joe Biden reaches out to touch a US soldier's tombstone as he and first lady Jill Biden tour the Normandy American Cemetery on the 80th anniversary of D-Day on June 6, 2024 in Colleville-sur-Mer, France.

First lady Jill Biden is returning to Wilmington, Delaware, today after attending D-Day commemorative ceremonies in Normandy, France, her office tells CNN.

She is then set to return to France this weekend with the official state visit slated to take place on Saturday.

“The First Lady has no events in France tomorrow and she is returning to Wilmington,” said Elizabeth Alexander, communications director for the first lady. “She is expected to rejoin the President for the state visit this weekend.” 

Dr. Biden and President Biden traveled together from Normandy to Paris-Orly Airport after today’s D-Day events. She was then seen boarding a separate plane, according to the print pooler traveling with the president.

The first lady was on hand for the proceedings for three days earlier this week.

Former state trooper details recovery of Hunter Biden’s gun 

The former state trooper who investigated Hunter Biden’s missing firearm told the jury he eventually found the gun from an old man who took it from the grocery store trash can.  

Millard Greer, after “multiple days of surveillance” located the man who others had said collected recyclables at the store, he testified.  

When Greer approached the man and said someone threw away something they shouldn’t have, the old man replied, “yes, they did,” according to Greer.  

The man gave Greer the firearm which he took out from a sock along with a pouch that contained a speed loader and bullets, Greer said.  

Officer who found missing gun testifies

The jury is back and former Delaware state police officer Millard Greer is testifying.   

Prosecutors say he will testify about recovering Hunter Biden’s firearm.

Delaware police officer testifies about responding to report that Hunter Biden’s gun had been thrown away

Delaware State Police Senior Corporal Joshua Marley, who responded to the report from Hallie Biden on throwing out the gun, is the next prosecution witness.

Marley testified that he reviewed footage from the grocery store and searched trash cans and interviewed Hunter Biden that day.  

“We couldn’t find the gun,” Marley said.

The trial is in a brief break.

Hallie Biden is off the stand

At the end of cross-examination, Hallie Biden acknowledged that she doesn’t know if Hunter Biden was using drugs in October 2018, when he bought the gun. She also said she never saw him drinking in that month, including specifically from October 12-23, which is when he owned the gun in question.   

Defense attorney asks Hallie Biden to recount day she found and threw away Hunter Biden’s gun 

Defense Attorney Abbe Lowell is having Hallie Biden go through a detailed recounting of the day she says she found Hunter Biden’s gun and threw it away.  

According to Hallie Biden and call records, Hunter Biden texted her nearly half an hour after she threw out the gun asking if she had taken the revolver.  

“Tell me now Hallie,” he texted.  

The pair then had a phone call where Hallie Biden told him what she had done, and Hunter Biden told her to report it to police.  

Hallie Biden has had trouble recalling many of the details from that day nearly six years ago.

“I don’t recall,” Hallie Biden said repeatedly in response to questions from Lowell.  

Lowell showed phone logs indicating that Hallie Biden and Hunter Biden had a flurry of calls that day. Hallie could not recall details of many of the calls.  

Hallie Biden testifies she saw "dusting" of drugs in Hunter Biden’s truck in October 2018

On cross-examination, Hallie Biden said she saw a “dusting” of drugs in Hunter Biden’s truck when she found the gun in October 2018.  

Hallie Biden added that she didn’t recall where she saw the remnants of drugs or paraphernalia.  

“I don’t recall exactly what it was,” she said.  

Hallie agreed with defense attorney Abbe Lowell when asked if she was “not certain” when she went to his truck or saw him that day.  

Before lunch, Hallie Biden was pressed by Lowell on her memory of the morning she says she found Hunter Biden’s gun in his truck. 

President Biden says he won't pardon son Hunter

President Joe Biden and his son Hunter Biden leave St. Edmond Catholic Church in Rehoboth Beach, Delaware, on June 1.

President Joe Biden said in an interview Thursday he would not pardon his son Hunter if he’s found guilty of criminal gun charges.

“Yes,” Biden told interviewer David Muir of ABC when asked if he would rule out a pardon.

The president also affirmed he would accept the outcome of the trial, currently in its fourth day in Wilmington.

Biden also accused his predecessor Donald Trump of attempting to subvert the rule of law by questioning the verdict in his own criminal trial.

“He’s trying to undermine it,” Biden told Muir. “He got a fair trial. The jury spoke.”

Read more on President Joe Biden’s comments.

Beau Biden's widow testifies in the Hunter Biden trial. Here's what to know

Thursday has featured testimony from Hallie Biden, the widow of Hunter’s late brother, Beau.

Hallie Biden — who was dating Hunter at the time he purchased the firearm at the center of this case — testified about getting rid of the weapon and her own drug use with her brother-in-law.

Here are some of the key takeaways from her testimony so far:

  • Drug use at time of purchase: During cross-examination, Hallie Biden testified that she did not witness Hunter Biden doing drugs between October 6 and October 22, 2018. This could be helpful for the defense, as it covers the window when he bought and possessed the gun. But she has also testified that he lied and kept things from her during that time.
  • Throwing away the gun: Hallie Biden described finding the gun and drugs while cleaning out Hunter Biden’s truck in 2018. She says she “panicked” and wanted to get rid of the firearm and bullets so Hunter didn’t hurt himself. Hallie says she put the gun in a pouch and threw it away in a nearby grocery store trash can. “I was so flustered,” she said. “I realize it was a stupid idea now.”
  • The immediate fallout: Hallie Biden testified that Hunter Biden was angry with her for throwing away the gun. Text messages that investigators say they found on Hunter’s laptop show the pair scrambling to deal with the matter, and Hallie saying she acted because she was afraid for Hunter’s safety.
  • Confrontations over drug use: Hallie Biden, who testified that she used crack in 2018 after Hunter introduced her to it, says she used to tell him, “This can’t go on, we can’t do this.” Hunter would say he was fine and needed to figure things out his own way, Hallie testified. In a text exchange from that time period that prosecutors showed in court, Hallie told Hunter she was afraid he was going to die.

Also today: Earlier Thursday, the man who sold Hunter Biden the gun in 2018 returned to the stand for cross-examination by the defense.

Biden attorney Abbe Lowell focused his questions for the former gun shop employee, Gordon Cleveland, on a federal form Hunter filled out to purchase the weapon.

Cleveland almost discussed the fact that store employees later altered the form, which the defense has tried to use to undermine the credibility of the workers and show they were politically “biased.” The judge has previously blocked the submission of that altered form as evidence, saying it is “irrelevant” and runs the risk of confusing or misleading the jury.

Prosecutors objected several times when the altered form came up again Thursday, and the judge sustained their objections, cutting off Cleveland.

Court in lunch break

The court is in a lunch break.

Cross-examination of Hallie Biden will resume when the court is back in session.

Just before Hallie Biden took the stand earlier today, Valerie Biden, Hunter Biden’s aunt, entered, took her glasses off and went to the front row and gave Melissa Cohen-Biden, Hunter’s wife a hug. 

A number of people from a Wilmington AME Church that have known the Biden family for decades are also in the courtroom. 

Prosecutors say defense attorney is leading key witness

Prosecutors have raised several complaints that defense attorney Abbe Lowell is leading the witness, Hallie Biden, as she testifies about Hunter Biden’s whereabouts one day before she threw out his gun.  

Hallie Biden is struggling to remember what happened on October 22, 2018. Lowell has her texts from that day and is trying to use them to refresh her memory. But prosecutors have raised several objections.  

The judge has, on a few instances, instructed Hallie Biden to testify about her actual memories, and not simply recite what her texts say.  

One of the messages from Hallie Biden to Hunter Biden said, “are you in NY with Zoe?” in reference to Hunter Biden’s former girlfriend Zoe Kestan.  

Hallie Biden testifies that she didn't witness Hunter Biden doing drugs between October 6-22 while in Delaware

During cross-examination, Hallie Biden testified that she did not witness Hunter Biden doing drugs between October 6 and October 22, 2018, while he was in Delaware.  

This could be helpful for Hunter Biden’s defense, because that window covers when he bought and possessed the gun. However, earlier, when Hallie was questioned by prosecutors, she said she believed that he appeared to be high when she saw him that month. 

Hallie Biden also testified that Hunter Biden, during their complicated on-again-off-again, complicated relationship that he wouldn’t tell her the truth at times and would lie about where he was.  

Defense attorney Abbe Lowell has argued that in the days after Hunter Biden bought the gun he was trying to hide from Hallie Biden when he texted her about smoking crack, which, Lowell said, wasn’t true.  

Hallie Biden concedes on cross-examination that it’s hard to recall all the events of October 2018 

During cross-examination by Abbe Lowell, Hallie Biden confirmed that it was difficult to recall, blow by blow, the events of October 2018.   

“Yes, it’s difficult,” Hallie said when asked.  

She also said testifying about the time period in her life was hard and confirmed that prosecutors granted her immunity in testifying.  

Hallie Biden said she went to rehab in Pennsylvania in early October 2018.  

Hunter attended some “counseling” with her as part of the treatment, she said. Lowell suggested this was the reason why Hunter Biden returned to Delaware from Los Angeles.  

Hallie Biden describes immediate fallout after Hunter Biden realizes she threw out the gun

Hallie Biden arrives at federal court in Wilmington, Delaware, on Thursday.

Hallie Biden described the immediate fallout after Hunter Biden realized that she threw out his gun.  

“He was angry with me,” she testified.  

Their frantic texts from that day – which are being shown to the jury – show a scramble to deal with the matter.  

“The fucking FBI, Hallie, its hard to believe anyone is that stupid,” Hunter Biden texted.

“I’m sorry, I just want you safe. That was not safe,” she replied in the text.  

All of these text messages from the day Hallie Biden trashed the gun were found by investigators on Hunter Biden’s laptop, they say.  

The prosecution has finished questioning Hallie Biden and Hunter Biden’s defense team has begun their cross-examination after the court took a short break.