October 10, 2023 - Jim Jordan and Steve Scalise run to replace Kevin McCarthy as House Speaker | CNN Politics

October 10, 2023 - Jim Jordan and Steve Scalise run to replace Kevin McCarthy as House Speaker

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What we covered here

  • A more than two-hour House GOP candidate forum saw Reps. Jim Jordan of Ohio and Steve Scalise of Louisiana explaining to the conference Tuesday night why each is the best choice for the speakership, but some House Republicans still say it will be difficult for either candidate to get the support needed to win.
  • House Democrats held a similar candidate forum — which was less than an hour — to officially nominate their leader, Rep. Hakeem Jeffries, for speaker. 
  • And, despite ousted Speaker Kevin McCarthy urging GOP supporters not to nominate him, some in the conference believe he may still get some votes.
  • While the impetus on the GOP to find a new speaker escalated after the terrorist attack in Israel over the weekend, the conference remains divided over how it should proceed and who can get the 217 votes needed to lead it. Until a new speaker is selected, the House can’t pass legislation to address the crisis.

Our live coverage has ended. Follow the latest news or read through the updates below. 

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House GOP expected to debate rules change raising threshold to win nomination before going to floor

House Republicans will gather behind closed doors at 10 a.m. tomorrow and are expected to debate and vote on a change to conference rules to raise the threshold to win the speakership nomination.

This is expected to take place before they proceed with the speaker selection process. 

If adopted, the proposal would raise the threshold to win the nomination from a simple majority of the conference, which is 111 members, to a majority of the House — currently 217 with vacancies — before a House floor vote, per the amendment obtained by CNN. 

Here’s how it would work: As detailed in the amendment, once a candidate gets a majority of the support from the conference, members vote by secret ballot for two rounds to try to secure the needed 217 votes. If that hasn’t happened, the third round is a manual roll call. If a candidate doesn’t get 217 after five rounds of voting, then new candidates (and candidates who have not dropped out) can emerge and be nominated by members. 

The idea is to make sure that the internal squabbling happens out of public view, so the candidate can emerge from the conference with enough votes to be elected speaker on the first floor ballot. If successful, this could avoid a protracted floor fight like the one that occurred when Rep. Kevin McCarthy won the gavel after 15 ballots in January. 

That means the candidate could only afford to lose four GOP votes before winning the conference nomination.

Gaetz says he wouldn’t seek to oust Scalise, Jordan if they push short-term spending bill to avoid shutdown

Rep. Matt Gaetz, who led the charge to oust former Speaker Kevin McCarthy after McCarthy brought a short-term government spending bill to the floor in September, indicated that he won’t make the same move against either candidate for speaker if one were to push for a stopgap bill.

The Florida Republican said he had not made a decision yet on whether he would back Jim Jordan or Steve Scalise, saying he would “pray on it.” 

Later, he told more reporters, “I’m very confident that both of these men would represent an upgrade over Speaker McCarthy, so I’m not concerned that the things that really imperiled his speakership would be baggage carried by either a Speaker Jordan or a Speaker Scalise.” 

While he said he hasn’t decided whom he will vote for in tomorrow’s secret ballot for the GOP nomination, Gaetz said that “whichever of these great men get a majority of the conference, I’ll be really proud to vote for them on the floor.”

Gaetz also indicated that he’d be open to negotiating on changing the rules so that more than one member is needed to try to oust the speaker.

“I think that the motion to vacate is negotiable, but it’s negotiable for things that are going to make representatives in Washington more responsive,” he said, pointing to reforms that Democratic Rep. Ro Khanna has advocated.

“What I want are the Ro Khanna reforms that stop members of Congress from trading stocks, that stop members of Congress from becoming lobbyists or registered foreign agents, and that limit the ability of PACs and special interests to buy off members of Congress,” he said.

Key bloc of New York GOP congressmen remains undecided on speakers race

A critical bloc of House GOP members from New York are still undecided on whom they will ultimately support for speaker, New York freshman Rep. Nick LaLota told CNN. 

Asked whether he heard enough to support a candidate, LaLota demurred: “I’m not there yet. I think I need to hear a little more to understand their visions on avoiding a government shutdown and things along that nature.”

Republicans and Democrats concluded their candidate forums for House Speaker. Here's the latest

House Republicans wrapped up their candidate forum Tuesday night where lawmakers heard from their two current options to become speaker: GOP Reps. Jim Jordan and Steve Scalise. The two men got the opportunity to pitch themselves to their fellow party members ahead of a secret ballot vote scheduled for Wednesday in an attempt to convince the conference they can gather the 217 votes needed to win the gavel during a floor vote — a goal neither individual seemed to achieve.

Meanwhile, House Democrats finished up their own candidate forum in less than hour, nominating their leader, Hakeem Jeffries.

Here’s the latest:

  • Candidates outline plans to avoid government shutdown: The two GOP candidates during the forum outlined their plans to avoid a looming government shutdown with funding from a stopgap bill passed at the end of last month set to run out November 17. Jordan’s plan called for a a long-term, stopgap spending bill that would cut spending levels by 1% to give lawmakers more time to pass individual spending bills. Scalise didn’t go as far in suggesting such a measure, but told members he wants to pass all 12 appropriation bills and force negotiations with the Senate.
  • McCarthy to support eventual nominee: Former Speaker Kevin McCarthy, who left the forum as it was just beginning, said he will support whichever candidate for speaker gets his conference’s support. He also urged his supporters not to nominate him, telling CNN’s Manu Raju: “There are two people running in there. I’m not one of them.”
  • Democrats looking for bipartisan path forward: Former House Democratic Leader Steny Hoyer also argued that they need a new speaker so that the House can start moving on aid for Israel and criticized Republicans for creating a rule that allows one member to move to vacate the speakership. Jeffries, after being nominated at the Democratic forum, in a statement lamented the “MAGA Republican majority” causing “chaos and dysfunction” and said it is “time to get back to the business of the American people.”
  • Mace draws attention: Rep. Nancy Mace of South Carolina wore a t-shirt emblazoned with a large, red “scarlet A” because she was “demonized for my vote and for my voice.” This was in reference to her being one of the eight Republicans who voted out Kevin McCarthy as speaker last week.
  • Republicans not confident on speaker vote: House Republican Rep. David Valadao said he thinks either candidate will “struggle” to get the necessary votes from their party to win a nomination and GOP Rep. Mike Garcia said it was “50/50” on whether they would be able to elect a speaker on Wednesday.
  • Conflict in Israel looms large: The pressure for House Republicans to find consensus on a candidate to pass urgent support for an Israel at war with Hamas weighed heavy on the conversation following the two candidate forums. The only way to move more funding for Israel is to elect a new speaker, with Rep. Patrick McHenry, the temporary speaker, making clear to his colleagues that even a resolution vowing support for Israel isn’t within his limited powers. Both parties also commented on the possibility of tying aid for Israel with aid to Ukraine, a move Democrats have proposed and which Republicans have opposed.

Speaker candidates outline visions to avoid shutdown, but House GOP still divided over choices

The House GOP’s two candidates for speaker on Tuesday detailed their plans for avoiding a government shutdown — a key issue for members, and one that sank Kevin McCarthy’s speakership.

During a closed-door meeting, Rep. Jim Jordan told members he wants a long-term, stopgap spending bill that would cut spending levels by 1% to give lawmakers more time to pass individual spending bills, according to multiple lawmakers in the room. 

Rep. Don Bacon, a key moderate Republican, said he is leaning toward House Majority Leader Steve Scalise but was impressed by how “pragmatic” Jordan’s pitch was. 

“Because of his past, I think we expected to hear the Freedom Caucus message — it was not that. It was very pragmatic,” Bacon said.

Scalise, however, didn’t go as far in suggesting the need for a stopgap bill but told members he wants to pass all 12 appropriation bills and force negotiations with the Senate.

“I think we’re voting not just for a speaker, but for the speaker’s plan to get us through the next 75 days. The appropriations cycle. And the biggest difference between Scalise and Jordan is Jordan has a plan to avoid a shutdown. And it wasn’t clear to me that Scalise does,” said Rep. Thomas Massie, who is backing Jordan. 

Both Jordan and Scalise committed to supporting each other if they become the nominee, lawmakers said. And both committed to continuing the House GOP’s impeachment inquiry into President Joe Biden, according to lawmakers in the room.

But Republicans leaving the candidate forum expressed skepticism that they would be able to quickly elect a new speaker.

“in case you haven’t noticed, we’re a pretty a divided conference right now. So I think this might take a little time to sort out,” said Rep. Kelly Armstrong.

Asked by a reporter what the chances are that there will be a new House speaker by tomorrow, Massie said, “I’d put it at 2%.” 

And Rep. Ken Buck, one of the members who voted to oust McCarthy, said he isn’t “thrilled” with either choice and predicted someone else may come forward tomorrow, but wouldn’t predict who. 

GOP member presses Jordan and Scalise on what "promises" they've made to become speaker

During Tuesday night’s candidate forum, Rep. Kat Cammack pressed both Steve Scalise and Jim Jordan on what “promises” they made to members in their bid to become speaker, according to a source familiar.

Jordan said the only promise he made was to “fight for you all,” according to the source.

Scalise, however, didn’t answer the question, the source said.

It’s a pertinent question given that some of Rep. Kevin McCarthy’s January side deals to become speaker became a factor in his detractors’ decision to oust him.

House GOP member says both candidates will "struggle" to get necessary votes

House Republican Rep. David Valadao will not say which candidate for speaker he will support, but warns that it will be difficult for House Majority Leader Steve Scalise or Rep. Jim Jordan to get the votes they need to win.

The California Republican noted that Jordan did speak to the conference about his plan to deal with government funding, but that he missed much of it.

Valadao said that both candidates sounded “open” to changing their rules so that more than one member is needed to call for the speaker to be ousted in the future. 

He added that Scalise and Jordan both recognized they will have to compromise with the Senate on Ukraine aid.

“There was talk of Ukraine and it sounds like they all agree there is going to be some sort of compromise there,” he said

Valadao said he expects they will vote Wednesday on a new speaker, but noted that former Speaker Kevin McCarthy may still get some votes.

“He asked them not to nominate him, but I still think there are people who want to vote for him and people who would support him,” said Valadao.

Scalise, following "great" candidate forum, won't say whether he can secure party's speaker nomination

Scalise talks to reporters as he leaves Republicans closed-door forum.

Following a “great” candidate forum, House Majority Leader Steve Scalise did not say whether he has the votes to secure the nomination for speaker tomorrow.

Scalise added that if he wins the speakership, he would look to pass a resolution supporting Israel on “day one.”

Mace explains why she wore "Scarlet A" to conference meeting

Mace speaks to reporters outside a candidate forum with House Republicans on Tuesday, October 10.

Rep. Nancy Mace of South Carolina, one of the eight Republicans who voted out Kevin McCarthy as speaker last week, said she wore a “scarlet A” on her shirt to Tuesday evening’s conference meeting after she was “demonized for my vote and for my voice.” 

Mace said she is supporting House Judiciary Chairman Jim Jordan for speaker, adding she remained hopeful that Republicans would quickly get behind a candidate for speaker and vote on Wednesday afternoon.

“We’ll have our conference vote tomorrow, and I hope that win, lose or draw that we all get behind one person so we can go to the floor in the afternoon and have that vote,” Mace said.

Rep. Garcia: "It's 50/50 odds" if GOP can elect a speaker Wednesday

Rep. Mike Garcia, a California Republican, said it was “50/50” on whether House Republicans would be able to elect a speaker on Wednesday.

Garcia said questions about rules changes for electing a speaker — by requiring 217 votes in the conference before going to the floor for a vote — came up a “little bit” during Tuesday’s session.

Asked whether anyone could get 217, he said: “I think that’s a great question right now.”  

House Democrats' candidate forum ends with nomination of Rep. Hakeem Jeffries as speaker nominee

Rep. Hakeem Jeffries speaks to reporters at the US Capitol in Washington, D.C., on Tuesday, October 03.

Democrats officially nominated House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries as speaker in a candidate forum Tuesday evening.

House Democrats met for a little under an hour Tuesday for their candidate forum.

Democratic Caucus Chair Pete Aguilar and Vice Chair Ted Lieu, in a statement following the forum, also pushed for a bipartisan governing coalition.

Top House Democrat attacks GOP decision to allow any one member to call for speaker's ouster

Rep. Steny Hoyer arrives at the Longworth House Office Building as the House Republicans hold a candidate forum on Tuesday, October 10, 2023.

Former House Democratic Leader Steny Hoyer attacked the House GOP’s decision to adopt a rule that allowed any one member to call for the speaker to be ousted. 

Former House Speaker Kevin McCarthy, while trying to win the gavel in January, agreed to rules that allow just one member to initiate a motion to vacate — significantly lowering the bar for voting on ousting the chamber’s leader. Some hardliners are insisting that rule stay in place and a key contingent of moderate Republicans are demanding it be changed.

Hoyer also argued that they need a new speaker so that the House can start moving on aid for Israel. 

House Democrats' candidate forum has begun

The candidate forum for House Democrats has begun.

The party is expected to nominate their leader Hakeem Jeffries for speaker.

House Democrats are looking to keep a united front behind Jeffries and attendance strong for the coming speaker vote, creating a narrow margin of error for Republicans attempting to elect their candidate for the gavel.

Jordan ally floats idea of making him majority leader if Scalise is speaker

GOP Rep. Dan Meuser, who is backing Jim Jordan for speaker, is proposing the idea of making Jordan the majority leader if the other speaker candidate, Rep. Steve Scalise, secures the gavel. 

“We need some new faces, we need some new faces,” the Pennsylvania Republican told reporters. 

Meuser said he’s brought the idea up with Jordan but declined to say whether the Ohio Republican is receptive, adding that Jordan is entirely focused on the speakership right now. He also committed to backing whoever the GOP nominee is on the House floor. 

McCarthy says he will vote for whichever candidate gets GOP's support

Rep. Kevin McCarthy talks to reporters as House Republicans hold a closed-door forum to hear from the candidates for speaker of the House on Tuesday, October 10, 2023.

Former Speaker Kevin McCarthy, who left the GOP candidate forum just as it was beginning, said he will support whichever candidate for speaker gets the Republican conference’s support.

Asked who he would vote for, McCarthy said “whoever comes out of there,” as he stood outside of the party’s candidate forum.

The California Republican said he believed the House should not begin voting on a speaker until a GOP candidate has the votes needed to win.

He said that he told his allies in the room not to nominate him for speaker during the GOP candidate forum.

“I know a lot of them want to nominate me, I told them ‘please do not nominate me,’” McCarthy said. He noted: “I haven’t endorsed anyone. I’ll let the conference decide.”

“There are two people running in there. I’m not one of them,” he told CNN’s Manu Raju. 

McCarthy said he only expected two members to be nominated, and how they deal with the eight Republicans who voted to oust him will determine if House Republicans are able to govern going forward.

Asked whether they could vote on a speaker this week, McCarthy said, “I expect there to be a vote and elect a new speaker this week.”

He emphasized they need to choose a new speaker quickly so that the House can start moving to help Israel. 

“The talk today is we have a job in there, but more importantly, we have a job to do something right now. There is a crisis in the world, there is a void of leadership, we need to stand shoulder to shoulder with Israel,” McCarthy said.

McCarthy noted that he would not support linking aid to Israel to funding for Ukraine. CNN reported on Monday that the Biden administration and congressional Democrats were weighing tying legislation for additional military support for Israel with military assistance for Ukraine, setting up a showdown with congressional Republicans opposed to helping Ukraine.

“I don’t – to me, when you ask that question, you think it’s some kind of game to play. I think right now, Israel was just attacked, I would put Israel’s supplemental on the table, on the floor right now. If I was still speaker, I would have laid out the five plans, and we’d be voting today,” he said.

Scalise says he is confident there will be a vote tomorrow to elect a new speaker

House Majority Leader Steve Scalise talks to members of the media as he arrives to a candidate forum with House Republicans.

House Majority Leader Steve Scalise, one of the candidates for speaker, told reporters as he entered the GOP candidate forum that he is confident they will begin voting tomorrow to elect a new speaker. 

Scalise argued that they “need to get Congress back to work.”

The GOP's House Speaker forum has begun

Tonight’s candidate forum, which will allow those seeking the GOP nomination for Speaker to appeal to their party members, has begun.

Declared candidates will have five minutes to deliver opening remarks and then will answer questions from members, House GOP Conference Chairwoman Elise Stefanik said in a post on X. The candidates will then have two minutes for a closing statement, per Stefanik.

The forum is being held behind closed doors and members will not have their phones. 

CNN expects at least two candidates, Reps. Jim Jordan and Steve Scalise, to give speeches.

Jeffries calls on House GOP to unify around a speaker candidate so chamber can move aid package for Israel

House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries talks to reporters on Tuesday, October 10, 2023.

House Democratic Leader Hakeem Jeffries highlighted the need for the GOP to unify around a candidate for speaker in order to get the chamber up and running again.

Jeffries, who is expected to be the Democratic nominee for speaker, emphasized the importance of sending aid to Israel, condemning the attacks by Hamas and calling America’s ties to Israel “unbreakable. He told reporters that the question of tying Israel aid to funding for Ukraine is “up for discussion.”

“We await the administration presenting to us its request, and then we’ll take it from there,” Jeffries said. 

McCarthy urges GOP not to nominate him again, won't endorse Jordan or Scalise

Former House Speaker Kevin McCarthy leaves his offices on Tuesday.

Former Speaker Kevin McCarthy this afternoon urged his supporters in the conference not to nominate him for speaker and declined to endorse either candidate formally in the race. 

McCarthy did not endorse either Reps. Jim Jordan of Ohio or Steve Scalise of Louisiana for the role. “From the position I am in today, let the conference make that decision. I shouldn’t put my thumb on the scale,” McCarthy said.

McCarthy also said that Speaker Pro Tempore Patrick McHenry should be able to act as acting speaker to ensure continuity of government.

“There is an urgency, but we have a speaker pro tempore. … Patrick McHenry is in; we should allow Patrick McHenry to actually have the role,” he said.

Remember: As speaker pro tempore, McHenry can only recess the House, adjourn the chamber and recognize speaker nominations.

Rep. Scalise says House will get back to work tomorrow 

House Majority Leader Steve Scalise makes his way to a meeting with lawmakers on Tuesday.

As uncertainty looms over who will be able to garner the support needed to become the next speaker of the House, House Majority Leader Steve Scalise vowed the chamber will get back to work tomorrow as he left a meeting with the Florida delegation.  

Asked specifically how he’d prevent a government shutdown, the Louisiana Republican shouted from the elevator, “We’re going to get the House back to work tomorrow.” 

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